What Colour? Foal

I'm not a mini expert! But welcome!

I'd say her skin was too dark to be a double dilute (Creme), that's all I have! I'd guess pally? with or without silver?

I agree, Palamino, the sire or dam could also carry silver.

[quote="lipigirl"]I agree, Palamino, the sire or dam could also carry silver.[/quote]

Does silver darken pally? I'm assuming it's questionable now because the foal coat is coming off and the color is quite different that the foal coat?

Why am I leaning towards Silver Buck for both the filly and her dam?
The mare's mane and upper tail looks 'dirty', like there is some dark through it and at the roots. The lower legs of both filly/dam seem like bay/buck markings that could be diluted by silver.

Genetic test?

No. Silver has no effect on red bases.

Dam and foal are silver buckskin IMNSHO. :mrgreen:

Woohoo, ACC we are back on track. :rofl
No way are the dam and foal Buckskin, both are palomino + Smutty, plain and simple.
Test for Red and you will find I am right.
Silver Buckskin foals just don't look like that, well, not in Minis, they don't!!
The sire could have Silver....
The dam- any chance she is Dunalino??

Really? Are you SURE!? ;)

So what do silver buckskin mini foals look like then?

A search shows this one that's been tested: http://www.miniaturehorsetalk.com/index…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here's another: http://www.mini-go-round.com/megabucks…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here's a Grullo: http://www.miniaturehorsetalk.com/index…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The first one is a brown base though! :rofl ;)

The other one is probably "normal".

The "grullo"... I dunno 'bout that one.

I knew I should stay out of minis!

RF I too thought about the Dam being a Dunalino.

Check out Mini-go-round's Maid Merriam (Silver Buckskin)- she's almost identical in colour to the "grulla" as a foal.

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I think the op baby is Palomino.

Here are some more piccies of the mare

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I will be colour testing both the mare and foal as I am interested in what colour they actually are but I am interested in everyone's opinions as well :-)

I am going with either Pally with smut or silver buckskin.
I have not seen the foal recently and the last pic I had of her someone else took as the dam is visiting another stallion atm but the lady said she will try to get some better ones for me.

Also the stallion has had a few other foals born this season, another pally with blue eyes and a bay with blue eyes

It's tough, but I'm going with Pal for the mare too.

Silver buckskin all day long. That first photo SCREAMS silver buckskin to me.

def look both smutty pallies to me. I have seen QH that are twins in colour to them :D

The mares body goes cream (light to dark, depending on time of year) her mane is light cream-whiteish but her legs always stay the dark colour from her knees down.

I know it can come down to diet with pally and smut (some dark feeds enhance it) but she is only on hay/grass and when on feed is only on cr oats and lupins, studmaster and oaten chaff.

I can see why you think Silver Buckskin, but, no, Palomino with sooty, definitely IMO
The "silver Grullo" foal??
Well, the mare isn't tested as having Silver they just decided she was because she had a foal who might ...or might not...have been Silver Buckskin, I was not convinced BUT the foal is not Grullo, I am pretty sure it is Smoky Black or Silver Smoky Black if the mare really does carry Silver.
The OP's foal, again in the really cute picture of it curled up, I can see why you might think Silver Buckskin, and I suppose there is a chance but, from the other pictures I am sticking with Palomino.
We had a Welsh Cob mare a few years back who had heavy smutty and looked just like the mare's colour. Then she went that colour all over then, finally, as an adult, she came clear again and just had the sooty legs. She was a darker colour than this mare, though, and I have noticed that Dunalinos (in Minis) tend to be that very pale colour. If she were Dunalino, that was governing the coat colour and keeping it pale, then sooty entered the picture, do you think it is then possible that the darker legs are due to Dun + Sooty????

Stupid Question Of The Week:

...can agouti govern sooty placement in the reds?

[quote="Heidi"]Stupid Question Of The Week:

...can agouti govern sooty placement in the reds?[/quote]

Really good question! Anyone???

Erm, maybe 'govern' was too strong a term, how about "influence" its' placement?

I don't think so. According to Horsegen, agouti's mechanism is "faulty" in red horses and has zero impact on anything.

I think dun alone could cause the legs to be that much darker... but I don't think the mare is dun. She doesn't look right for it to me.

Having seen a foal look exactly like that foal (looked palomino) and turn silver buckskin... looking JUST like the dam, I just feel sure that's what we're looking at.

[quote="accphotography"]I don't think so. According to Horsegen, agouti's mechanism is "faulty" in red horses and has zero impact on anything.[/quote]
Poop! :( Maybe they'll find that ee has a *something* like agouti that affects it to some degree... Or that sooty has/can-have that sort of effect.

IMO sooty does seem to concentrate itself in the areas that dun would leave unrestricted, ie the dorsal, ventral, shoulder bars, neck shadowing, face masking, darker lower legs, etc.

Yes, but we are talking about a Red Dun base, not a Bay Dun, so the markings are far less extreme.
I actually think this is one we will just have to wait and see on, you are [i]sure[/i] it is Silver Buckskin, I am [i]sure[/i] it is Palomino + Sooty + (possibly ) Dun, so since most of all that lot is easily testable, let's just sit back and wait!! :booty

Just adding this.
This horse has been colour tested.
Palomino, no Silver.
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PS, I really do like this horse lots, but then this lady has a lot of very nice horses!!! :love

VERY nice Fizz - what is its name and breeding?

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