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What color is I CD SPOT

rodeoratdogs April 22, 2010 February 22, 2011

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This is my 2008 APHA Tobiano? gelding. He was registered solid bred but now with the most recent rule change in Jan of this year he is eligable for regular status because his socks on his rear legs come up higher than 2" past his hock. Now his Dam was T/T homozygous Tobiano and his Sire was a AQHA solid chesnut, not a specck of white on him. I'm pretty sure if I had him tested he would have the one Tobiano gene he was sapposed to get from his Dam, but does anyone think he may have one form of Sabino he has roan hairs all over even though you really cant see them in this pic, and his one little white spot on his neck. [img]http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy134/rodeoratdogs/Decorated%20image…]

rodeoratdogs Thu, 04/22/2010 - 17:19

Are you talking about the black spots on his socks? he has a few of those....... his other side of his face is the same, only his is the blaze is more on this side than the other.

Danni Thu, 04/22/2010 - 20:59

So the paint horse society doesn't register minimal tobianos? Interesting!

I think of the chip spot as splash, so I guess I'd say he was tobiano/sabino/splash!

I think the white spot on his neck could be the tobiano, just being very suppressed!

rodeoratdogs Thu, 04/22/2010 - 23:54

Who's horse is Tru one ina million? They do look alot alike. He is actually eligable for regular status now Paint heorse just changed the rule on Jan 1 that the socks only have to be 2" above the hock and his is about 6" above the hock so I just have to send his papers in with photos and it about a $60 fee for a status change to regular papers.

Danni Fri, 04/23/2010 - 00:04

I don't have anything to do with paint registries, but for some reason I just thought that if they tested as a tobiano they would accept them even if very minimal. Goes to show I thought wrong!!

Jenks Fri, 04/23/2010 - 06:54

[quote="accphotography"]He reminds me of Tru One Ina Million:
[img]http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b236/…]

I do Sara, but I actually would have expected to see LOADS more than that on one this minimal.[/quote]

Funny they have that same black spot... What does that mean? Why would you expect more - and are you talking about the spot?

rodeoratdogs Fri, 04/23/2010 - 09:09

[quote="Danni"]I don't have anything to do with paint registries, but for some reason I just thought that if they tested as a tobiano they would accept them even if very minimal. Goes to show I thought wrong!![/quote]

Lol.....I did ask them about that and they said they just went by color, but they change the rules pretty often so you never know maybe next year, seems to me if the markings were border line and you could prove by genetic testing that a horse had a particular coat pattern, that that would be enough to let them pass for regular papers.

Sara Fri, 04/23/2010 - 11:03

[quote="accphotography"]I do Sara, but I actually would have expected to see LOADS more than that on one this minimal.[/quote]

That's partly why I wanted to see his other side.

accphotography Fri, 04/23/2010 - 11:33

[quote="Jenks"][quote="accphotography"]He reminds me of Tru One Ina Million:
[img]http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b236/…]

I do Sara, but I actually would have expected to see LOADS more than that on one this minimal.[/quote]

Funny they have that same black spot... What does that mean? Why would you expect more - and are you talking about the spot?[/quote]

Ermines and distals are believed to be a sign of a white suppression gene. Typically on a tobiano this minimal there will be a whole lot more than just one.

rodeoratdogs Fri, 04/23/2010 - 12:09

acc,
Can you define Ermine and distals for me? It does make sence to me that very minimal Tobianos are being suppressed by some other gene.

Sara Fri, 04/23/2010 - 12:15

Ermines and distals are the little spots of color present in the socks and blazes of some horses. We have noticed that the spots are very common in minimally marked horses so they *appear* to go hand-in-hand with some not yet discovered suppression gene. But yeah, it's just a theory. The geneticists only have just so much time to do actual research so we busy ourselves with guessing. At least it's educated guessing... mostly! :lol:

accphotography Fri, 04/23/2010 - 12:19

Speaking of spots in the face. This mare has at least frame and sabino and I personally believe splash. She's much more minimal than would be typical of this combination. Check all the spots:

[img]http://www.accphotography.com/gallery/d…]

[img]http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w65/…]

[img]http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w65/…]

[img]http://www.accphotography.com/gallery/d…]

[img]http://www.accphotography.com/gallery/d…]

rodeoratdogs Fri, 04/23/2010 - 13:26

Neat! it is very ineresting and fun to guess. He does have those spots on more than one sock and a little spot too in his blaze I think, but it seems to me that pretty much all the tobiano's I have seen have those, are they the same thing as the color that oftened surrounds their......whatever you call that little toe thing that supposedly grew up there leg.... oh I remember now "chestnut", you can see it on my Tovero mare standing next to him.
Now that I think of it you do see them more on the more minimal Tobianos.... and homozygous Tobianos or is that somthing different?

[img]http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy13…]

rodeoratdogs Fri, 04/23/2010 - 20:58

Yes that's right, pawprints were a telltale sign of HZ tobianos, here is a picture of his Dam "Sheeza Delta Queen" she has a pawprint on her left hind on the upper part of her sock, she also has the ermines and she is a HZ tob. I don't know if they are related or not.

[img]http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy13…]

rodeoratdogs Fri, 04/23/2010 - 21:11

Ok thanks for clarifying that, it would make sense because you may see both on a horse that is HZ but you still see the ermines and distals on horses that just have one T gene.

Jenks Fri, 04/23/2010 - 21:14

[quote="rodeoratdogs"]Yes that's right, pawprints were a telltale sign of HZ tobianos, here is a picture of his Dam "Sheeza Delta Queen" she has a pawprint on her left hind on the upper part of her sock, she also has the ermines and she is a HZ tob. I don't know if they are related or not.

[img]http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy13…]

Any chance of more photos of her and perhaps a close-up of her prints?

rodeoratdogs Fri, 04/23/2010 - 22:04

Sorry that's the only photo I have of her, I don't own her but I was lucky enough to get one photo each of the Sire and Dam.