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What color foal?

Ok, a mare at ATI, IR Harlan King(grey, base coat unknown supposedly black due to the way she is graying) was bred to Boot Scootn Spark(red dun). She foaled out today and her foal was a grulla/o(he was a mousey color). The colt had all of the primitive markings(dorsal, leg barring, transverse wither stripe, etc) His legs were black in color and i pointed out he may not stay grulla/o. One of the girls there tonight said it wasn't 'grew-ya', it was 'grula'. She also said he may not be a grulla/o due to him being a foal. Also she said he won't go gray. Who's right here?? What color is the foal and what color will he be?

accphotography Mon, 04/27/2009 - 19:37

Yes, I really, really think the red could shed out. I've seen it happen several times. I still think grullo. I would be pulling hair on this one if he were mine.

rabbitsfizz Tue, 04/28/2009 - 14:30

I think he may be Red base....but I think he is going Grey for sure.

And on the subject of Spanish I was instructed quite curtly by a Spaniard that Grullo does not change with the sex of the animal, and I was given the grammatical reason but I can do Grammar perfectly but I don't speak it, if you know what I mean, I would not know a Gerund from a Pronoun in a well lit room, so it all went in one ear and out t'other.
And of course is pronounced sort of V ...say B with your mouth open and you've got it!!!
We tend to forget that, as with American and English, Mexican and Spanish have evolved differently.........
Mexican says their S's for a start, a lot of Spaniard's still stick to "th", which suits me as I have always had a lisp!!!
Fascinating language, fascinating people...!Establecer Cataluña libre!

Sara Tue, 04/28/2009 - 14:58

In Spain, grullos may not change with the gender of the animal but in the US and Mexico they certainly do.

indian Tue, 04/28/2009 - 16:54

Ok, just worked with the little guy today. The roots of his mane are black. And the little goober tried to bite me too. :)

accphotography Tue, 04/28/2009 - 16:55

[quote="indian"]Ok, just worked with the little guy today. The roots of his mane are black. And the little goober tried to bite me too. :)[/quote]

There ya go. I bet it's coming in now.

indian Thu, 04/30/2009 - 10:21

I'll try and see if I can get updated pics of the little guy. He's so adoreable, and his face still has that cuteness to it. :love

Danni Sun, 05/03/2009 - 00:19

So cute!!! I reckon dun going grey. Dunno on the grullo or red dun though, grey can make them darker so could still be red dun?

rabbitsfizz Sun, 05/03/2009 - 11:34

Actually Sara, we had this discussion on LB as well, and although we have got into a habit of changing the sex of the colour, I don't think it is correct, I think we were mistaken!!!
And whether we are or not, Dakota, HE cannot be a GrullA!!! :laugh1

Morgan Sun, 05/03/2009 - 15:01

It probably had something to do with the word for horse being masculine. If you think about it that is the word that "grullo" would be modifying in a sentence(even if it is only implied):
He/she is (a) grullo (horse).
el/ella es (un caball[b][color=#FF0000]o[/color][/b]) grull[b][color=#FF0000]o[/color][/b]

The gender of the noun , as a word, is sometimes independent of the actual biological gender of what you are talking about.

I supose grulla would work with yegua (mare) but thats not at all as common as just saying "horse" (caballo). Not to metion the tongue twisting factor involved in "yegua grulla" :lol:
And since we are speaking English and borrowing the word, we do not use such declensions and we should stick to one or the other.

Sara Sun, 05/03/2009 - 18:48

Huh. I want to ask a native speaker (from Mexico). I know horse is masculine but I figured it changes because horses are pets and are referred to as having their own gender rather than the generic "he".

Even on Tickle's papers her color is listed as chestnut sabina -- feminine because she is a mare.

indian Fri, 05/29/2009 - 23:13

So, is grey ruled out b/c of his leg coloring? Could he still shed out to be a grullo?

NZ Appaloosas Sat, 05/30/2009 - 06:25

Do you really think he's gonna be grullo with that orangy a coat? I'm thinking maybe sooty bay dun? (Actually, I'm thinking...has owner sent off hairs for testing yet????)

Diane

accphotography Sat, 05/30/2009 - 14:01

I've seen horses orangier and redder than him turn grullo. They tend to bleach VERY badly in their foal coats, that already start out more of a tan than silver. The color that's shedding out on his muzzle is suspicious as well.

critterkeeper Sun, 05/31/2009 - 12:22

Based on that pedigree I would suspect that he could be dual reg. in AQHA & NFQHA seeing as he has everything from King to Whimpy; Three Bars to Hancock; and Hank to Leo in his pedigree (most multiple times). I could not hazard a guess on his percentage, but it will probably be pretty high. And of course, I vote red dun... :love

indian Tue, 09/01/2009 - 10:22

Ok, I just got back from my summer internship and drove by the Equine Center yesterday. I saw Harley and he is either a VERY bleached grullo(he looks yellowish) or is a Bay dun. I'm leaning towards bay dun but I will try to get some pictures here in the next week or so.

indian Sat, 09/19/2009 - 13:22

Just saw Harley yesterday, couldn't get pics cause he was too far away and I wasn't allowed in the pasture for liability reasons since school isn't in session yet. But he is 100% Bay dun with a lot of sooty from what I saw. And the people there didn't even kow what color he was, I got vaired guesses" red dun, grey, bay, bay dun...I really need to get up close pics of him and get them on here so we can figure out what he is. His sire, Boot Scootin Spark could very well carry the bay gene couln't he? As the dark grey mare in the pics is Harley's dam and she looks black based to me.

critterkeeper Sat, 09/19/2009 - 15:19

Boot Scootin Spark could very well carried agouti, but we all know the best way to tell is to test...and now that there is a test for ALL this colt's color the possibilites. :bounce

indian Fri, 09/25/2009 - 10:48

Could Harley still go gray?? I saw him the other day and he has a ton of sooty. His legs are black as the can get from what I saw but it was only in passing by. I promise I will get pics soon :flower