What color foal?

Black foal that won't gray. Grullos aren't born mousey, they're born tan. Black foals will have countershading most times. Also black foals that are graying should look truly black, not mousey.

It IS grew-yo by the way. Tell her to learn some Spanish. *giggles*

You're right about the pronunciation. As for what color the foal is, there is no way to be sure. Most black foals are born mousey colored, and so are grullos, though they may tend towards a more pale and buff colored foal coat. But it's not a hard and fast rule. If he has full rich color in the coat and full black points, that is often - but not always - a sign of grey. The primitive markings occur with many foals, and we would have to see them to even make guess. If the markings are extremely defined, with sharp clear edging on the dorsal stripe, you can lean towards dun - but again, not always true.

Sorry not to be more help, but it's an educated guess even with pictures. You might want to check the grullablue site for helpful comparisons.

*ha - posted same time as ACC

Grullo is for a male Black dun and Grulla is for a female one...just so you know. ;)

and everyone i've ever heard say it has said grula/grulo, i've never heard the way y'all say is correct, lol

[quote="Maigray"]Most black foals are born mousey colored, and so are grullos, though they may tend towards a more pale and buff colored foal coat. But it's not a hard and fast rule. If he has full rich color in the coat and full black points, that is often - but not always - a sign of grey. [/quote]

Yes to all of the above. That's why I was surprised to see this KWPN foal.
8-) Dad is pictured below.

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I just saw the colt again today, and retard me(LOL) noticed his legs were a light mouse grey color, not black.(That's what I get for not paying closer attention to detail) :hammer :BH

I'll see if I can get pics of the colt tomorrow.

Yep, the correct way to say Grullo/Grulla is Grewya/Grewyo otherwise you would say the ll's in tortilla. :laugh1 Like Lipi said Grulla is for female and Grullo is for male. :D

[quote="Krickette"]and everyone i've ever heard say it has said grula/grulo, i've never heard the way y'all say is correct, lol[/quote]
Probably because you haven't been around many Mexicans. ;) In the Spanish language, the double-L is pronounced with a "y" sound:
Torilla ~ tore-tee-ya
Ella ~ eh-ya
Grullo, Grulla ~ grew-yo, grew-ya

...I cannot think of any more double-L Spanish words for examples. :oops:
But here is an example of Rs and double-Rs:
Pero (pair-o) means 'but' ...as in: but that isn't what I meant...
Perro (pair-r-r-o, rolling and dragging out the 'rr' sound) is 'dog'.
The double-R is 'rolled' in the same manner double-Ls are pronouned differently.

Actually, after a lifetime of attaching the gender of the animal to the word (which is pronounced Grew-Yo, as LL in Spanish is a "Y" sound...sort of rolled "Y" sound, hard to do phonetically....but then I want to thump people that call the figurines I collect "lad-ro" instead of Ya-dthro...again hard to do phonetically!!) anyway...where was I??
Oh Yes....Grullo is correct for both male and female, the word does not, in fact, change gender to match the gender of the subject.
Right, that's your lesson for today, my children.
Back to the foal....my guess is that he will turn out to be Black, not Black Dun.

Pollo = POH-yoh = chicken

I actually tried to see if grullo was listed in an online dictionary with no luck, the AQHA however, does say that it is pronounced GREW yo or GREW ya which is the way I've always pronounced it.

Around here everyone knows to say grew-yo and grew-ya but we do have a large Hispanic population.

While I took Spanish in school, in the US (who didn't?), discussions of horse colours or birds (since the word grullo comes from the colour of the blue heron) were not the norm...I learned "grew-yo" and "grew-ya" from the Mexicans/Latinos at the barns....and in the Spanish I was taught (both "Mexican" and "Castillian"), the changing of an adjective or noun to fit gender was very common, with the male usage to be used in an unknown or multi-gender situation (i.e., a grullo foal if you do not filly or colt, or a group of grullo horses, if a mixed herd of male/female).

Diane

You forgot the most important spanish double l word:
Caballo
:D

there is still a tiny bit of the "l" sound left, it's hard to describe though. sort of like saying the "y" sound with the tongue starting in an "l" position and then rolling it back to pronounce the following vowel.
and the single r is rolled as well, it's just a single roll. basically you say "d" but by slapping the tip of your tongue once lightly at the roof of your mouth while exhaling and not letting it actually hit like you would for "d" . For rr you do the same, just hold it lightly and letting it trill and add some "r" sound from your throat.

Ok, here are a few pics of the little guy at one day old:
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Yes, he's laying ON my legs(cutie, I love him)
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He's got stripes above his eyes(odd)
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Sire(red Dun)
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Dam(Grey, base coat unknown, threw a black colt last year when bred to a grullo)
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omg does he have stripes on his [i]eyebrows[/i]??? :rofl

I'm not at all sure what color that is :S he [i]could[/i] be grullo or bay dun. He's a little pinker than my grulla colt was but I'm not seeing a dorsal? I think dun foals are suposed to have a rather solid dorsal stripe. but if hes not dun than I have NO idea what color he could be. I say reserve final judgement untill he sheds.

So darn cute!

He is cute! I'm missing the dorsal as well... Unless the angle is just way off. The placement of the mane seems like you should be able to see some sort of dorsal.
If not dun, I'd guess chestnut.

One of my bay duns has stripe on his eyes and around his muzzle. It looks like he had fun in his mom's make-up bag.

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I'm stunned. That ABSOLUTELY looks grullo to me. I don't see gray yet either, but I think it could be hard to spot on a grullo (I would expect the legs to be blacker if gray).

100% Dun - What colour?...not sure- but leaning towards Grullo.

Dun not sure on color. Would like to see some pics of him in natural light.

Dun going grey.

he looks like a red dun on my monitor, on his ears and forelock/mane.

I know an EE AA Dd CRcr stallion who has several bay duns a year that virtually always look red dun at birth. It's odd.

The little guy is starting to turn pinkish in color. His mane is more red and so is his dorsal and legs. Is this just the crazy baby fuzz?

Maybe. Or we could all be wrong and he's a red dun.

Bleaching I suspect.

wow hes beautiful!! i love all his extra stripes. He does look grulla but his mane is very red for a black based foal.... hmmm

Ok, so sad...the little guys mane and tail and dorsal are red, very red. I was hoping for him to be a grullo. Could he still shed out grullo, or will he be red dun for sure?

I know his dam is grey, as in the pic but I don't know what base coat color she is. TNT Mania is a dark bay. I have no idea what color "miss zan parr harlan"(IR Harlan King's dam)is.