Welsh question for Rabbit

Ya' know, when I first glanced at the title, I was wondering why you were looking for a recipe...

Diane

Sorry, I'm on marestare!!
Twyford Grenadier
THE most beautiful animal I have ever seen, but Oh MY!!! he was the son of an unmarried mother, he really was, evil little pregnant camel of a horse, all teeth and no reason!!
He could move like a dream.
This was long before the days of AI but nowadays that horse would NEVER be used for natural cover!!
He passed it on too, I know the mare counts for 85% of the nature but he passed it even through well mannered mares.
Funnily enough it was the animals that looked most like him that had the temperament, I saw a yearling colt at a place I was looking at a filly at, drop dead gorgeous the colt was, and tied to the ceiling!!
When I asked why his handler said calmly that he wished to groom him [i]and[/i] keep both his arms and legs!!! :o

[quote="rabbitsfizz"]Sorry, I'm on marestare!![/quote]

Me too. :)

I can only find black and white photos of him. What did he look like? He appears to be dark chestnut with a flaxen tail but it's hard to say.

oh and NZ... lolololol!

So how much of the attitude is from lack of good handlers as a foal? Do you think he was just able to get away with anything and learned he was "all that and a bag of chips"?
Now that I have a foal, I really want her well behaved and looking at her attitude now, I'll really have to keep on top of her. Just hard to do when they are soooooo cyuute! (Taken from Fugly) :laugh1 :booty

Peanut was born with attitude. He couldn't have weighed much more than my Sheltie at birth but it took me AND the vet sitting on him in order to get needles in him at his newborn exam. The vet was laughing her head off and wished me good luck starting him in three years.

Now, with identical handling to Georgie, he still avoids people except on his own terms. He'll come up and whuff in your face if you stand quietly, but reach out to scratch him and he bolts. It takes rodeo maneuvers to halter him, every time, and leading him is basically lunging in a straight line (I have to use the triangle to move him forward).

Georgie, on the other hand, stands mostly quietly to be haltered and leads politely. She loves being scratched and groomed and seeks people out. She even needs butt scratches before she goes over to her breakfast when I feed every morning.

No, with Grenadier, believe me, NONE of it was "getting away with it" nor was it with the yearling colt I saw!!!
They were just plain [i]mean[/i].
I do not mean naughty, either, I mean get you on the floor and jump all over you, mean!!!
Grenadier was known for it, although it did not seem to pass on as strongly as that to the next generation, I am assuming they would have been very careful about the mares they used.
Grenadier was a very dark, rich Chestnut, what we used to call Liver, with Flaxen, almost white, mane and tail....I [i]think[/i] he had white socks, but it is a long time ago, he did have white on his face.
I am assuming both were Sabino as they were passed on more often than not and regular.
He was drop dead gorgeous, and the ones in his line that have that certain je ne sais quoi, also seem to have the "spark" that he had rather too much of!!

Here is a pedigree with a picture attached......probably not a great picture though !

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Luckily Peanut does not bite or kick. He's easily the hardest to handle foal (and the smallest!) I've had so far though.

Tickle is not mean either. She's a pistol though, and I swear she looks down on me.

If you look at the mare line of his pedigree you will find a lot of Hackney, and not small ones either...I am pretty sure that that is where the meanness comes from

Are hackneys generally mean horses? I almost got one, before we found Nike. I've never heard of them as a mean breed. The breeds I can think with mean reputations are like appys, shetlands, appys, mustangs, mules, appys, thoroughbreds, and appys. lol!
Of course, there arent that many breeds to choose from here >.<

also, I dont think i ever looked at her foals before other than peanut, and i must say Winterlake Portia is gooooorgeous!

Winterlake Portia is without a doubt Tickle's most beautiful foal. Sophia was very much like her but Portia just had a certain something extra. I last saw Portia as a yearling and her movement was breathtaking (warmbloods would have hung their heads in shame) but I could not justify adding a young filly to my herd at the time, especially not one already related to a mare I was buying. Portia was sold to a driving barn in New York.

Rabbit, when did they stop letting Hackneys in the Sec A book? I guess I did not know that Hackneys were ever allowed in that section. I'm actually surprised that the nasty stallion is on Tickle's A side. I had assumed it was on her C side!

Actually it's on her "B" side it's just that Welsh Ponies and Welsh Mountain Ponies were all lumped in together for a while, then they realised they had a problem.......
Same with C and D Cobs.
So, yes, IME, Hackney's [i]were[/i]quite nasty.....I don't think they are nowadays, remember we are talking 50 years ago.
I am pretty sure that is about when they stopped double registering them, maybe slightly less???

Is that why I find A ponies sometimes with B parents?