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Silver... but not...?

This filly has been genetically confirmed as not carrying silver. Her results are EeAa Sabino1 nn and Silver nn. She has been tested twice through UC Davis, I believe. Both sire and dam carried the silver gene, so is this just a weird case of flaxen? Pictures of her, plus photos of sire and dam can be seen at [url]http://wendovergypsycobs.com/[/url] under the mares tab, under Glory. I do have permission to post the website/pictures, as we're pretty stumped by her! :D

critterkeeper Mon, 10/12/2009 - 13:45

Welcome to the forum Manda :newbie , I approved your post.

What an interesting filly :-? - she definitely appears to have something else going on, but I wouldn't want to hazard a guess as to what that might be. I think I will leave that to those who have been doing this longer than I have... ;)

Remember there is more than one sabino, but only one that a test has been developed for (hence the SB-1 designation). Unfortunately, poor sabino gets blamed for everything that can't be explained by any of the other genotypical displays. :BH :lol:

Morgan Mon, 10/12/2009 - 14:13

welcome! :D yeah that's why we have the sabino scapegoat:
:sabino
:lol: I would say that's what is going on here, some kind of sabino (as well as splashed white), sometimes it does that to a bay's mane and tail.
Man, I wish you could do like gene therapy or something and get those gypsy manes and tails onto my paints :love

rabbitsfizz Mon, 10/12/2009 - 14:19

Hiya, and welcome to the madhouse! :booty

The filly is Chestnut with Flaxen, the one, I am assuming, you are calling unusual and "is it Silver?" is a common colour in Welsh Cobs and is Chestnut based.
It appears to be Red + Sooty+ (possibly Pangaré) + Flaxen.

accphotography Mon, 10/12/2009 - 14:48

Sorry but she just looks standard bay to me. I see nothing unusual at all. That tail is perfectly normal, especially in drafts, but I see it in Thoroughbreds all the time.

manda216 Mon, 10/12/2009 - 14:52

I thought it may be flaxen, but i didn't think that the flaxen affected a bay? I'm pretty sure that she is sabino, I know that there can be other genes that associate with sabino. She is just such a unique color, the mane definantly has white and silver hairs in it and the tail is so very light.

The gypsy cobs registery wants to call her a silvered bay sabino, but according to the DNA she isn't silver. It just doesn't seem so cut and dried in my opinion ;)

ACC, would the mane carry such a wide array of colors for just a plain bay?

manda216 Mon, 10/12/2009 - 14:58

Ok. Knowing the parents carry the silver gene, and have her looking kinda "funny" always has ones mind wondering ;)

accphotography Mon, 10/12/2009 - 15:09

Well I would say retest, but you already have. :D

Yes, I've seen those types of manes on TBs too. It's just a combination of baby colors that will shed out, sabino, guard hairs, etc.

lipigirl Mon, 10/12/2009 - 16:11

I think it's just the sabino playing with the mane and tail colour - I wouldn't assume it was anything else now especially as you re-tested.....if i can find some more examples of sabino in tails ect I will post.

And Welcome Manda ! :flower

rabbitsfizz Tue, 10/13/2009 - 12:27

I'm sorry, I had a brain freeze there and thought we were talking about the flaxen Sorrel!!! :rofl
Glory herself, yes, of course she is a Bay, there is not question, Bay + Sabino would be enough to do that to the colour.

manda216 Wed, 10/14/2009 - 15:21

Well dern, one could always be hoping that someone would go, "yep silver no doubt, test(s) must be wrong!" :rofl She's still a pretty neat color, though. I can't wait to see how much of the sabino she "keeps" in that tail as she grows. Thanks for all the help :D