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Silver Dunskin??

Adurna January 09, 2011 February 22, 2011

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Hey I introduce you my pony Dragon.Some people from Germany said he could be a Silver Dunskin or a palomino with a dun gene and sooty.Perhaps someone of you know this color or could say something to the basic color. When he has his winter coat he ist lighter then in the sommer.In the winter he has a red eel stripe/eel back ,in sommer it is darker. In his mane there are at least 3 colors white/grey,black/darkbrown and light brown/his coat color. I try to take photos but the photos with the sommer coat aren't very good.I hope you can help me. Adurna [img]http://i54.tinypic.com/6hjk2s.jpg[/img] in sommer coat [img]http://i52.tinypic.com/md2wx2.jpg[/img] sommer coat [img]http://i56.tinypic.com/25f5yxy.jpg[/img] sommer coat Other pictures in the appendix.In the last two pictures ist very much sun.Normally the mane isn't that brown. If you need more pictures please let me know.

accphotography Sun, 01/09/2011 - 14:34

I'm fairly certain that's a red base. Sooty palomino for sure but I can't tell about the dun (I lean to no).

Daylene Alford Sun, 01/09/2011 - 16:17

I'm going to go with sooty palomino BUT it really could go either way. I'm not sure about dun. I see a bit of a stripe in the last pic but I can't see enough to tell to even guess if it's countershading or dun.

lipigirl Sun, 01/09/2011 - 16:18

As you are from Europe, i too am wondering if this horse is not Bay based with cream making it a buckskin and also silver...not sure about the Dun too though.

Danni Sun, 01/09/2011 - 18:35

Oh he's interesting, I reckon could be silver buckskin. I could see how he could also be a sooty pally too, but yeh those striped hooves might lean me more towards silver? I can't really see dun that well?

critterkeeper Sun, 01/09/2011 - 19:32

[quote="accphotography"]I've seen alot of hoof striping on palominos and red bases.[/quote]

I have also seen striping on palis and chestnuts, but with this pony, I suspect he is a buckskin with possible silver.
I am not too sure about the dun...his forelegs appear to have what could be either primitive markings or sooty, his hair is too long to tell and with no clear image of his back, the dorsal is a big question mark.

accphotography Sun, 01/09/2011 - 20:53

Has anyone seen the type of shading he is sporting on his face and lower body in the first two pics on a buckskin?

Danni Sun, 01/09/2011 - 22:10

Face yes, but the lower body sooty I agree is more typical of red based. I'm still not 100% convinced he is pally though

Adurna Mon, 01/10/2011 - 05:20

I'm sorry but I don't have a better picture of his back now but I will try to do it this evening.The only thing I can say ist that when he has short mane(like the most fjord horses) you can see the eel stripe going through his mane.I will try to find a photo where he has this short mane.It was 3 or 4 years ago.

edit:So here is a picture of his eel stripe.In sommer it is a little bit darker.And I'm sorry for that dirty pony :? but I haven't so much time to take it .

Adurna Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:38

Could you explain what countershading mean? Because when I look up this word the meaning of the doesn't make sense for me.I hope you understand. :)

Daylene Alford Mon, 01/10/2011 - 13:15

Countershading - 1. a form of adaptive camuoflauge where the coat color is darker dorsally; 2. a term applied to any pattern of darkened hairs in the coat color

Color Dictionary: http://www.equine-color.info/node/24/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Adurna Mon, 01/10/2011 - 13:44

Oh I'm sorry I have to look better on your website.
But now I know what it is .Thank you.

Daylene Alford Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:10

You don't have to be sorry its easy to miss. I guess I did sound a bit grumpy sorry about that.

Adurna Wed, 01/12/2011 - 02:54

No he isn't a fjord.We don't know the exact breed.
Yes Marlin is very close to him.The skin and leg markings are very close to the ones from Dragon.Do you know his exact color?

Andrea Thu, 01/13/2011 - 19:52

This one is intresting!
I'm guessing silver dunskin.
My section A's dorsal is very faint as well, but she's positive for dun.
This guy looks black based to me.

Will you test him? Please? :)

Adurna Fri, 01/14/2011 - 14:02

Yes I want to test him but it is expensive and I have to test another mare for my thesis first.Where can I make the cheapest test?

But black based and silver dunskin?I think dunskin is dun+buckskin and a buckskin is bay based or?

Danni Fri, 01/14/2011 - 14:16

Well you could just do the red/black test. That shouldn't cost too much and at least then you will know if he's palomino or buckskin. The US is about $25US, there is animal genetics in the UK but I think that works out a bit more expensive

Adurna Fri, 01/14/2011 - 14:34

Thank you for your help but if I will test Dragon I want to know his color exactly,so I will wait a time because in the moment the horses eat money like hay. :)

With the mare I just will make a red/black test.

Andrea Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:41

[quote="Adurna"]Yes I want to test him but it is expensive and I have to test another mare for my thesis first.Where can I make the cheapest test?

But black based and silver dunskin?I think dunskin is dun+buckskin and a buckskin is bay based or?[/quote]

Yes... Dunskin= dun+buckskin= creme+bay= agouti+black.
If you take bay a step further, bay=black+agouti.

Adurna Sat, 01/15/2011 - 15:11

Oh yes now I understand.
I'm just a beginner,I have to learn so much,but it is so interesting. :)

Monsterpony Sat, 01/15/2011 - 21:39

Considering that bay dun is wild type, it would technically be dunskin=bay dun(wild type) + cream (mutation).

Black= bay dun(wild type) + non-dun(mutation) + non-agouti(mutation); dun and agouti being the wild type so the lack of them is the mutation.

My mind is starting to shift into this way of thinking. Totally useless to most, but I thought I'd put it out there :D

Dogrose Sun, 01/16/2011 - 03:16

I think that way too, coming from a small animal colour perspective- wild type agouti is the default, anything else is the alteration/mutation. It is really weird to me how horse people see self black as the default and work from there, to me agouti is just not a dilute of self black, self black is agouti gone wrong.