Silver Dun?

No there aren't.... So he wasn't a pally after all eh?

Yeh that ad was quite a few years ago I think, before it would have occurred to his owner he could be silver

I can't say much about him from those pictures, but it's a shame to lose the color. :(

Oh and no dun IMO.

I agree I don't see anything that would suggest dun.

I have seen alot of choc Pali QH but not any silver before, it is to bad they gelded him, he is gorgeous.

Yeh I thought dun would have been more obvious if it was there. I might ask her if she has more pictures.

Eh...I don't know about that one. The owner at the time I guess, is heavy into Vanners and commented in an article that he is dun and silver. I mean I guess I could see silver, but I'd want to see his offspring just to disprove palomino. And I don't see any dun. Not even a lighter eye, or body. Nothing. He's still registered as palomino, and nothing in his pedigree has changed. It's hard enough to find silver QH's on the web. I was going to see if any of their pedigrees crossed.

FWIW he does look silver to me.

Can anyone hunt down images of his foals? I'm sitting the fence on silver or not.

Considering that he tested silver, what is there to be on the fence about? I think he looks very much like the classic RMH silver expression.

Was he tested? I guess if Danni said he was, then the owner told her? Silver debate aside, I'm not saying it isn't possible, but isn't a horse going to express dun if it carries dun? I've seen the cases where the markings are almost non existant, and the dilution is light. But I don't see it in that horse. And she has another one http://www.cielocelestefarm.com/colonel…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; that she says is a carrier of dun factor. Is that possible?

Well she's kind of on her own planet sometimes... so I think I might clarify with her!! I've chatted to her privately, I sometimes do on colour things with the Gypsies, but yeh I'm not entirely sure I believe her. It was half the reason I posted him really, I was wondering if it was even possible in that bloodline.

[quote="JNFerrigno"]Was he tested? I guess if Danni said he was, then the owner told her? Silver debate aside, I'm not saying it isn't possible, but isn't a horse going to express dun if it carries dun? I've seen the cases where the markings are almost non existant, and the dilution is light. But I don't see it in that horse. And she has another one http://www.cielocelestefarm.com/colonel…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; that she says is a carrier of dun factor. Is that possible?[/quote]

Definitely possible on Colonels Gotaspot, I have seen horses that are really dark like that but they carry dun, like in the Smokey Commander line. He was registered black but he carried dun from his sire's side.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/smokey+…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Straightforward Silver Black...no reason why he could not have Cream though...

She got him tested, so I'll believe silver, haha! He does look it, too

I believe Son of a Cinnamon is silver also but funny thing is is that I just studied his pedigree trying to figure out where he could have got it from and couldn't, but I think that's because not all the info is there. I can see where he could carry dun he go's back to music mount on the Dams side, so it is back there.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/son+of+…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We don't really know the source of the other silvers either so that doesn't say much to me.

a question, how do horses carry dun and not show it?? dun dilutes the hairs pigment and dun markings are clearly visably on most horses, so how can a horse carry it but not show it??

Just like a horse can be tobiano and only have two socks or so. It's not that it's not showing, just that it's so minimal it's being missed. Although I don't believe that particular horse is dun (the super dark one).

If you look at her webpage he has produced alot of duns though. If we are talking about the same horse, I'm talking about her smokey black overo.

I find it interesting that they say he's overo, but he is registered overo so I guess he's got some qualifying white somewhere I can't see.

I don't know how we could be talking about the same horse. I don't see a SINGLE dun foal.

You don't see any dun in any of these babys???????? how so?

http://www.cielocelestefarm.com/colonel…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

the only ones they are saying dun could just as easily be foal countershading on them....

I honestly don't see dun on a single foal. Honestly.

About this stallion - I think the owner confuses dun with cream:
http://www.cielocelestefarm.com/colonel…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"This smokey black stallion has the dun factor showing very predominantly on both the top and bottom side of his pedigree. He is producing many buckskins and palominos!"

Hmmmmm ok I see all of your points, and I did notice the bucksins and palomino's, so you think the ones she is calling grullas are maybe just smokey black?

Yeh I don't see any obvious dun foals on that page either. I spoke to her again too, she's going to try and find pictures of the 'silver' stallions dun factor. But on clarification he's not tested as silver, when she said the lab said he was silver, that was just because he was long sold on and she sent them pictures to ask what they thought. She thinks the sire was silver bay as well. Which he might have been, but no, it's not known for sure. I suppose the question occurred to her as she owns a tested silver gypsy stallion that seems the same colour.

ACC I don't see any obvious "overo" markings either but his name is Colonels "Gotsaspot" so maybe he has a belly spot or somthing.

I do think that the original animal is Silver. The so called "overo" (god how I hate that term) looks to be Sabino? He has a very even blaze, although, of course, Splash could easily hide in that little white. I am [i]so[/i] happy to see them happily advertise an "overo" with absolutely NO LWO testing, way to go!!
He obviously is not Dun, he is Black, carrying Cream (if he is tested or proven to so do) and this person badly needs to join this Forum!