Silver bay???

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Animal Name: Casting Shadows
Selected Tests: Red Factor & Agouti, Cream Dilution, Silver Dilution
Sex: Gelding
Breed: Paint Horse
Sample ID: DT$00008117

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Ready?????

Coat Color results for Casting Shadows(DT21909):

Red-Factor Result:
E/e - Both black and red factors detected. Either E or e transmitted to offspring.
Basic color is black, bay or brown in the absence of other modifying genes.

Agouti Result:
A/a - Black pigment distributed in points pattern. Basic color is bay or brown in
the absence of other modifying genes.

Cream Result:
N/N - No evidence for the Cream dilution altered sequence detected. Basic color is
sorrel or chestnut, bay or black in the absence of other modifying genes.

Silver Result:
N/N - No evidence of the altered sequence detected.

Soooooooooooo what the heck???

:sabino

I should explain, since you're new, that that is the Sabino Scapegoat. When your horse's color has you scratching your head, blame sabino!

i guess... just kind of odd if you ask me - he's normal, but he's not LOL

Very, very, very strange. It really messes with so many things in my head.

Would you be willing to test him for brown? I seriously doubt he is, but given a brown dam and a black sire... I'm really confused. Man I wish we could test the parents (or even parentage test him :lol: ).

For now I'm going to say he's wild bay... even though I don't fully believe that. Shoot... none of this makes sense.

Really? We're talking about the horse on the first page? I see nothing too terribly out of the ordinary there and I had expected the tests to come back negative. Maybe I've looked at too many Welshes. :roll:

[quote="Sara"]Really? We're talking about the horse on the first page? I see nothing too terribly out of the ordinary there and I had expected the tests to come back negative. Maybe I've looked at too many Welshes. :roll:[/quote]
ACC believes in Brown and brown being recessive to bay.

This horse should NOT look like that if this is correct because the dam is quite clearly brown, and the sire quite clearly black.

Which is why I blame wild bay (which he does kind of look to me anyway)... but wild bay is SUPPOSEDLY dominant to all other agoutis (which I have never believed).

I agree with CC aka Sara, Welsh do have a similar look - will try and find some pics to back this up.

[quote="RiddleMeThis"][quote="Sara"]Really? We're talking about the horse on the first page? I see nothing too terribly out of the ordinary there and I had expected the tests to come back negative. Maybe I've looked at too many Welshes. :roll:[/quote]
ACC believes in Brown and brown being recessive to bay.

This horse should NOT look like that if this is correct because the dam is quite clearly brown, and the sire quite clearly black.[/quote]

Oh, I see. Well, it's the horses that don't fit our expectations that will force us to tweak our theories. :)

[quote="accphotography"]Which is why I blame wild bay (which he does kind of look to me anyway)... but wild bay is SUPPOSEDLY dominant to all other agoutis (which I have never believed).[/quote]

I would buy a combination of wild bay and sabino on this guy.

I would be willing to test him for brown but I will have to wait a bit - it seems I am headed home on an emergency personal matter. If it helps to clear anything up I will be happy to do it though.

You all have me soooooo confused!

I really think brown is kinda pointless (he just does NOT fit the phenotype by any means, but based on the theory, he *should*). I'm just grasping at straws I guess.

So does the whole brown theory go out the window???

Like I said before I was always told his mom was a dark bay hahahaha

Well many people did, and still do, call browns dark bays. ESPECIALLY if they were from the Thoroughbred world. Her photo answers the question though, she is definitely, phenotypically brown.

I won't let one horse throw the brown theory out for me. *Especially* when that horse is a very odd color on his own. Also when we can't test the parents. It does open the window very slightly, but I'm not throwing it out yet.

If he is indeed a wild bay, then it 100% makes sense and confirms my suspicion about wild bay.

I'm not sure why you would think he was anything but a wild bay, I do know Silver can be very dark on Big Horses, but I see wild bay....that is it.