Sabino or rabicano?

Looks strawberry roan to me (chestnut roan) with the roaning probably caused by sabino...imho. However, I can't completely rule out rose grey either due to not knowing any real specifics...whatever his color/pattern, I like. :flower

I agree either red roan or rose gray. I'm leaning toward rose gray but its hard to tell the difference from that picture

looks sabino roan or grey to me.

Looks strawberry roan to me too.

Can I please ask what the (horrid) check rein thingy is attached to? Surely not the mouth piece of the bit??

Sorry, new here so please dont flame me down!

Anna

Welcome AnnaC :newbie , I approved your post. Have no fear, we don't flame posters here (we actually try to be civil - :flower )

I can't tell you what that piece is called, but that it is common in carriage harnesses. Any of our hackers or drivers have an answer? RF?

[quote="AnnaC"]Looks strawberry roan to me too.

Can I please ask what the (horrid) check rein thingy is attached to? Surely not the mouth piece of the bit??

Sorry, new here so please dont flame me down!

Anna[/quote]

Welcome, Anna. :) It's called a side check, and yes, it is attached to the bit. :)

they are pretty much for keeping the horse from putting his head all the way down aren't they? His looks fairly loose, so he still has a lot of range of motion for his head.

It's been a long while since I drove drafties (in college for a class actually) with draft harness...but i know we had checks on all the harnesses...otherwise we had some opportunistic fatties that would try to graze instead of pull...lol

[quote="TheRedHayflinger"]they are pretty much for keeping the horse from putting his head all the way down aren't they? His looks fairly loose, so he still has a lot of range of motion for his head.

It's been a long while since I drove drafties (in college for a class actually) with draft harness...but i know we had checks on all the harnesses...otherwise we had some opportunistic fatties that would try to graze instead of pull...lol[/quote]

Yes, I believe that's what the purpose is for the side check/over check/check rein. There were some there that were definitely tighter than what I would have had on my horse, for what they were doing (it was draft horse pull), but they weren't uncomfortably tight. That team, in fact, won, and the ending weight was 13,500 lbs, so I don't think they were impaired in any way. ;)

i don't think he looks impaired by it at all...it's nice and loose and he has his head at a relaxed place with tons of room to move :)

I think he looks sabino roan.....you see it sometimes in haflingers too...they call them "pink ponies" and the breeders don't really like it (at least that was according to a breeder I talked to a few years back that I got a really flashy belgian mare from...loads of white on that girl!)

Actually it's an over check and it's purpose is to rip the horses mouth to pieces if it trips or prevent it form using the correct muscles in it's body to pull with.
I hate them with a vengeance and they are only used on the North American continent, you might, occasionally, see them on ceremonial gear in Europe but no-one in their right mind would use such a device on a working horse!
Hackney horses and ponies do traditionally, have very tight checked heads in the show ring, in order to get the high stepping trot, but even then English Hackneys are not checked nearly as tight as American ones.
I am [u]not[/u] having a "go" at Americans, BTW, merely stating a fact, as I often have this argument over on Lil Beginnings.
People tell me it is a safety issue and it is necessary to prevent the horse from putting it's head down and eating.
Know what??
I have never, ever used one, never shall and I have NO problem with my horses putting their heads down as I [i]train[/i] them not to do anything like that.
Harness looks nicer without all those straps cluttering up the head, too!!!

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OK, I'm finished with the rant :rofl

The horse is Chestnut Roan with Sabino Roaning on top, I think.

I definitely agree with you for the most part, rabbitsfizz. If I had a driving horse I wouldn't use an over check at all. I see them used incorrectly all the time, and it makes me [i]so[/i] mad.

I believe in some driving classes, they aren't allowed to use them. I wish they'd ban them completely--and not just in the show ring.

Oooops I seem to have started something LOL!!

Actually my friends I do know what a check rein is - in the olden days it was called a Bearing/Baring rein. And I agree that I dont approve of them.
But my question was - how is this one fitted? It seems to be attached to the MOUTHPIECE of the bit, not the rings. If this is so it really must cause a sore mouth for the poor horse. (Actually it almost looks as though it is a 'seperate' thing altogether, and looking closely at the picture, it could be thought to pass through the horse's mouth and out to join the fitting on the other side, competely seperate from the bit! But I think that is just the angle of the picture?)

Lovely horses by the way!

Anna

Weren't bearing reins made illegal in the UK about 100 years ago, about the same time as horse tail docking and nicking was made illegal?

Yes i think so but i dont know what the definition of a bearing rein, it may be to do with how tight it is not the piece of leather running along the neck and over the poll if you see what i mean.

I'm pretty sure when I drove Splash there was a long piece that connected the bridle and the harness....it went up the top of her neck and attached at the poll I believe... I could be completely wrong, I haven't looked at that harness in ages, but I think that's what it was. Is that the same thing?

NO, check reins are not illegal here and are being used more because of the flipping "American" Miniature Horse classes requiring them...can you believe them actually [i]requiring[/i] their use??
Unbelievable!
To be used absolutely correctly a bearing rein must have it's own, separate, check bit, so there is probably a very thin snaffle attached to the check rein on these horses bridles....think about it, people, please, you asked horse to pull a (in this case) heavy load, then you attach a rein that prevents it putting it's head down to do so....and also remember these particular horses are actually engaging in a pulling match, and could easily fall to their knees doing so...with their heads attached by way of a thin bit to the saddle of the harness!!!
There is just no fixing stupid!
The correct place for any check rein that comes with the harness you buy is IN THE BIN, I have personally deposited numerous check reins and blinders (don't use them either, no point, no purpose ) in my rubbish bin.
My horses were very grateful.
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OK, rant over, I return you to your scheduled colour discussion.

:-t :lol:

But I am with you 100% Fizz - people need to learn that hurting any animal is not acceptable ! :ymapplause:

Just one more point, I have a picture by George Stubbs (well, a print, obviously, or I would be typing this form my house in the Bahamas...) showing the Prince Regents team of black carriage horses, the equivalent of the day of a sports car, and they are wearing a GAG check rein!!
So things could be worse.......