Sabino is cool

I think they're dominant whites personally... but that's a whole other barrel of kittens. :rofl

Well, either way, they still look cool. I really like how the color stays around the eye on the second horse.

[quote="accphotography"]I think they're dominant whites personally... but that's a whole other barrel of kittens. :rofl[/quote]
Barrel of puppies. Puppies are much cuter than kittens, and if I'm going to be stuck with a barrel full of something I want it to be puppies :lol: :lol:

i've never really "dug into" the dominant white stuff..what makes you think that is what they are? Like...what pops out and slaps you in the face and says...no! i'm not sabino, i'm dominant white...

lol

I've seen another GQ Santana foal online at a website I used to follow the foalcam on--KMK Paint Horses.....she has alllll white hair from what I've seen in her pics. Cute though!

Looked her up, http://www.kmkpainthorses.com/impressiv…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.kmkpainthorses.com/temp/sant…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.kmkpainthorses.com/temp/sant…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.kmkpainthorses.com/temp/sant…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; <- possibly the same horse? I dunno...

yeah..that's Crystal..didn't have time to picture hunt this morning!

I think the last picture is of her sire

more foal pics of her here:
http://www.kmkpainthorses.com/otherfoal…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

her sire's full brother is here...lol
http://www.jreclipse.com/JREclipse.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I did find this on another forum:
[quote]Recently, the owner of GQ Santana (deceased) forwarded a genetic paper to me that was prepared by the University of California at Davis.

It seems that GQ Santana sired numerous pure white horses (with dark eyes) that were thought to be lethal whites that lived.

This apparently confused the AQHA to the point where they, unbeknownst to Santana's owner, sent DNA on the stallion and his get to UC Davis.

The college geneticists have determined that GQ Santana and several of his get are dominant whitea. There is no color classification for this at AQHA.

It will be interesting to see what they'll do next. [/quote]

Now that is weird. I didn't realize he's an AQHA cropout. Wonder where all that came from

I used to have a picture of his dam...but can't find it...but she was similar in looks to his sire if I'm remembering right--some sort of average blaze and a couple of low white socks...might have had other white on her, but the picture I had was poor quality and I can't seem to find one at all now..lol

http://www.jreclipse.com/images/JREclip…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That is GQ Santana's full brother

Well he has an odd blaze but other than that....weird

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.p…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

another full sibling

and...another(halfway down the page--Eclipse Encore)

http://www.triplecranchllc.com/CREELEYF…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

OMG! :bounce :bounce :bounce :bounce God I love it when my hunches are right!!

hehe

but what is it exactly that makes you sway more towards one than the other? Still curious on that. :D

They just scream it at me. I guess it's because I've looked at every single possible dominant white I could find and I sort of "see" the pattern now.

The first horse:
http://www.eltomhorse.com/horseImages/B…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The jagged way the white crawls up the front of his gaskin in a big trail to his stifle (sabino doesn't reach in just a trail like that IMO). The very plain face white is a big indicator. The girth and flank white sealed the deal. That is SOOOO a dominant white thing. Especially the spottiness of it. Compare to this one, who is louder, but the same type of white, same movement, etc.:
http://www.whitehorseproductions.com/im…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The second horse:
http://www.rhodespainthorses.com/rphdb/…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The amount of color left on the top line, where that color flows, the dark around the eyes, but mostly the VERY, VERY, VERY spotty way the white stops. Compare to these, all known dominant whites:

http://www.angelfire.com/on3/TrueColour…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.angelfire.com/on3/TrueColour…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.angelfire.com/on3/TrueColour…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.barbaralivingston.com/albums…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.barbaralivingston.com/albums…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So, I guess it's just having seen a bunch of them and really paid attention to what the pattern expresses like.

what is the most minimal expression of dominant white you've seen?

I really haven't looked that much into dominant white to be honest and love seeing these pictures

Yay I found something cool! I wonder how minimal it can be, I wonder if something like light roaning could be an indication of it but we just don't know it.

hmm..i had a spottyness on the white of my old belgian mare..maybe she was dominant white..*giggles* I always called her Sabino..and I think ACC said she was splash/sabino...but maybe we were all wrong!!! (not likely though...lol)

I didn't know dominant white that well back then. It's been a recent interest for me.

The most minimal I've seen is tall stockings and a blaze with a minuscule (or non existent in a couple cases I think) belly spot. Something similar to this, but not this exactly (a little less white and a different movement):
http://image.equinenow.com/235830_1/mar…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

here...a pic (or a few) of Big Momma for you then

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Ummm, YES, YES, YES. :rofl :rofl :rofl Yes, I absolutely feel she's dominant white. I also see splash though (I think, DW can mimic splash well).

I have actually been pondering the reason Clydesdales (and TBs ;) ) have tested negative for Sabino1 is because they're actually dominant white. Maybe not even splash at all in most cases (since DW mimics it so well). :D

well..she IS the one that has a blue eye too...so she might have splash as well?

there is a good headshot of her in my album on here.

Her reg. name is Clairlea's Royal Splash in case you ever want to look into it with belgian people....used to have a scan of her pedigree...but I have no idea what happened to it.

YAY!! From what I've seen DW doesn't cause blue eyes, so splash should be there.

I do actually know someone who takes a great deal of interest in loud Belgians... I'll have to tell her her name so she can see if she's from any known lines of color.

if it is not Clairlea's it is Clairlea can't remember if it had the 's on the end.

would love to hear anything you find out about this. I wish I could have kept this mare, but was at a 2 horse limit at the time, so she had to go to make room for the haflinger. Sold her to a Haffy breeder up around Danville OH area, Mike Williams...I know he was going to work with her and sell her on more than likely

[quote="accphotography"]Ummm, YES, YES, YES. :rofl :rofl :rofl Yes, I absolutely feel she's dominant white. I also see splash though (I think, DW can mimic splash well).

I have actually been pondering the reason Clydesdales (and TBs ;) ) have tested negative for Sabino1 is because they're actually dominant white. Maybe not even splash at all in most cases (since DW mimics it so well). :D[/quote]

I was pondering this the other day, but wouldn't that mean DW, at least whichever one is in clydes, would NOT be homozygous lethal, like DW is thought to be?

Well, here's the thing about that, because they have not found ALL the dominant white mutations (probably not even close, I actually think there are going to be FARRRR more DWs than sabinos) we can't know yet. Some of them COULD be viable.

So you have the homozygous embryonic lethal going against the dominant white theory.

However you also have the incomplete dominant problem going against the sabino theory.

What would you say this horse's pattern is? I've always thought he was sabino & splash but after reading this thread I'm not at all sure now. This family line has no blue eyes...that I'm aware of.
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If there are no blue eyes (and there's enough horses for a true sampling), I'd suspect it's not splash. That does look very much like some of the Airdrie Apache line dominant whites so I could definitely see it being that. it's got that super spotty look, plus the dark spots, plus the right movement.

I had this horse's full sister at my place for a few years. She was 23 in this picture.
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Are the dark spots part of DW also? He passed what looks like a big mismark to several of his foals. He has a larger mark on his right hip. I don't have a pic however.

THAT photo looks EXTREMELY dominant white. *nods*

I personally think the dark spots are associated with dominant white, yes. However, not to be confused with Bend Or spots.

Look at the dark spots on these (and these aren't as extreme as some I've seen). This is common in this line of DWs.
http://www.barbaralivingston.com/albums…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.barbaralivingston.com/albums…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.barbaralivingston.com/albums…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't have the other photos on this computer, or in photobucket but I'll try to post more pics from this line tomorrow. I have one photo in particular that has some interesting spotting. I was in SD last year & had the oppourtunity to visit a breeder who has several from this line. This thread is answering questions I've had for years.
Thanks!