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Results are in on "Annies" BDB Fashion Designs LWO test.

Well surprised me actually since she has a whole bunch of frame in her background but Annies test came back nn on her LWO test, so she must just be sabino and splash. [img]http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy134/rodeoratdogs/051.jpg[/img] [img]http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy134/rodeoratdogs/025-1.jpg[/img] [img]http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy134/rodeoratdogs/021-1.jpg[/img][i…]

rodeoratdogs Wed, 05/26/2010 - 20:02

LOL...... well her white is kind of bottom heavy like the point you were making about Spookernatural. The one spot she has on her body is right in the middle bottom of her belly. Her face is still the most interesting about her but, and its still more bottom that top but I figured that was just the Sabino pushing it away from the eyes.

rodeoratdogs Wed, 05/26/2010 - 20:23

[quote="accphotography"]Well but I don't count bottom heavy as a mark against frame, only a mark for splash. The square top of the blaze and the solid leg are the biggest would be frame indicators.[/quote]

Right I gotcha, and I also thought the solid leg was her "frame" leg.

rodeoratdogs Wed, 05/26/2010 - 20:42

It does kind of make you re-think your thinking doesn't it :rofl Like I said I was surprised to see 2 little n's, I was like what :shock:. This is her sire Terrific Juan and I know hes frame, I was thinking she got her crazy facial markings from him, but he could be splash as well.
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NZ Appaloosas Sat, 05/29/2010 - 02:00

[quote="Danni"]Her head always looked very splash to me, and I couldn't specifically see frame but great you tested to find out for sure!![/quote]

Same, I just couldn't see frame (but then I'm always looking for torso/neck white for frame)

Diane

rodeoratdogs Sat, 05/29/2010 - 10:35

[quote="NZ Appaloosas"][quote="Danni"]Her head always looked very splash to me, and I couldn't specifically see frame but great you tested to find out for sure!![/quote]

Same, I just couldn't see frame (but then I'm always looking for torso/neck white for frame)

Diane[/quote]

Interesting point, it was her solid leg that made me think she carried frame. Here are some pics of her siblings, all out of her sire Terrific Juan, some of which are obviously frame with those neck/torso markings, the last pic is a full sister.

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accphotography Sat, 05/29/2010 - 17:44

Oh yeah... one of my friends on another form had this colt born this year. Sire is solid without a stitch of white, dam has a blaze and two socks. No, the photo is not hiding nay white at all.

[img]http://hphotos-sjc1.fbcdn.net/hs065.snc…]

LWO positive (came through his dam, whose status we didn't know until the colt was tested, but I actually told the owner I felt sure both she and the colt were frame :rofl ).

rodeoratdogs Sat, 05/29/2010 - 18:15

[quote="accphotography"]Oh yeah... one of my friends on another form had this colt born this year. Sire is solid without a stitch of white, dam has a blaze and two socks. No, the photo is not hiding nay white at all.

[img]http://hphotos-sjc1.fbcdn.net/hs065.snc…]

LWO positive (came through his dam, whose status we didn't know until the colt was tested, but I actually told the owner I felt sure both she and the colt were frame :rofl ).[/quote]

Isn't that somthing :shock: Were you joking when you told them that? That is why Overo breeders for years thought that frame was recessive because we would get loud cropouts from 2 solid QH parents, when in fact they were just very minimally expressed Overos. What breed is that mare? TB or does she have QH also?

accphotography Sat, 05/29/2010 - 19:15

She's registered AQHA, but I think she might have some TB (she's not appendix though).

I was virtually positive the mare was frame before the foal was born. Her blaze and leg markings are very characteristics of it IMO. When the foal was born I thought it was truly strange he didn't have any more white than that (I expected at least a little anklet) and thus I immediately felt frame was suppressing some leg white. The owner was on the fence on the mare and had no opinion on the foal so she wasn't shocked, but pleasantly a bit surprised.

accphotography Sat, 05/29/2010 - 20:25

That would certainly be possible, but I just REALLY expected that mare to add a sock or two. She has one full sock and one half cannon. She's thrown a LOUD splash (presumably homozygous, negative for LWO) before. I just really expected some leg white. The other thing that got me was just the HINT of a star... I would have expected leg white before a star *shrugs*.

Jenks Sat, 05/29/2010 - 20:41

That colt is frame?! gyah. No doubt that is hard to see!!!! You were sure the colt was positive? Or sure the mare was and thought it prudent to test the solid foal?

THat has to be the BEST testament to needing to test solids too! I never would have thought without a speck of white....

rodeoratdogs Sat, 05/29/2010 - 20:42

[quote="accphotography"]That would certainly be possible, but I just REALLY expected that mare to add a sock or two. She has one full sock and one half cannon. She's thrown a LOUD splash (presumably homozygous, negative for LWO) before. I just really expected some leg white. The other thing that got me was just the HINT of a star... I would have expected leg white before a star *shrugs*.[/quote]

Ok now you have got me interested in the homozygous Splash, they dont even have a test for Splash yet right, so how would you presume then it was homozygous, just the amount of white?

rodeoratdogs Sat, 05/29/2010 - 20:45

[quote="Jenks"]That colt is frame?! gyah. No doubt that is hard to see!!!! You were sure the colt was positive? Or sure the mare was and thought it prudent to test the solid foal?

THat has to be the BEST testament to needing to test solids too! I never would have thought without a speck of white....[/quote]

Yeah it makes you really wonder is it so rare that solids carry frame or just not many frames are tested.

accphotography Sat, 05/29/2010 - 20:49

[quote="Jenks"]That colt is frame?! gyah. No doubt that is hard to see!!!! You were sure the colt was positive? Or sure the mare was and thought it prudent to test the solid foal?

THat has to be the BEST testament to needing to test solids too! I never would have thought without a speck of white....[/quote]

Yuppers! You tell me how many people would even THINK he might be frame if they didn't know his background? Precisely the reason we say test [i]everything[/i].

I was sure the mare was positive. I was about 75% sure the colt would be too, but that was just a gut feeling due to his phenotype compared to the dam's.

accphotography Sat, 05/29/2010 - 20:51

[quote="rodeoratdogs"]
Ok now you have got me interested in the homozygous Splash, they dont even have a test for Splash yet right, so how would you presume then it was homozygous, just the amount of white?[/quote]

No, no test for splash. All evidence points to it being an incomplete dominant and thus the really loud expressions are almost surely homozygous.

[quote="rodeoratdogs"]
Yeah it makes you really wonder is it so rare that solids carry frame or just not many frames are tested.[/quote]

It is not really common, but it's certainly not rare. I think a good many of them are just not tested as they're not suspected. But I think for the most part there is SOME marking.