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Pony, what color?

Another color question yall.... What color is Tigger??? His dam is a bay roan, graying. Sire is a silver bay or if its the other sire black tobiano. Tigger birth through now... [img]http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp317/ShyBon/4-6-0911am001.jpg[/img]\ [img]http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp317/ShyBon/5-23-09045.jpg[/img] [img]http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp317/ShyBon/10-06-093pm013.jpg[/img]

accphotography Sun, 10/11/2009 - 21:57

Can't see the one on the forum as I'm not a member. I signed up but they have to approve it.

Fledgesflight Sun, 10/11/2009 - 22:31

Couldn't end up finding it (had to switch back to IE because Firefox won't store the link up the top to copy) There are better pictures of the foal in question on LB though...maybe holly could post those one's on here as well?

Holly Mon, 10/12/2009 - 09:14

I am going to take some pics today from different angles.
Tiggers mane is not light, it is dark, just the tips are light from his baby mane.
I am so happy yall are debating this...

Holly Mon, 10/12/2009 - 09:26

ok more pics in different lights. foals age is above pics, dates are on links:)
He was Born 4-5-09.

1 day old:
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about a month old:
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2 months
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3 months
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4 months
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critterkeeper Mon, 10/12/2009 - 13:22

I agree with RF, I don't see cream, just silver. But... has everyone missed his dark/black tipped ears in his pixs? You don't get that on palominos unless the whole horse is a dark liver shade (as in those going grey) and then you can't see the "tips". There is NO doubt in anyones mind that this foal is going grey, but I'd still test him for extension, agouti, silver and (to appease ACC and RMT) cream... :bounce

accphotography Mon, 10/12/2009 - 14:46

I'm still completely confident. Moreso even. The first photo in that last series SCREAMS palomino going gray IMO.

TheSwingHorse Mon, 10/12/2009 - 15:05

Not to mention, she stated she wasn't sure who the sire was. Either the "silver bay" or a black tobiano. Could it be possible the black tobiano is smokey black? Has this horse been tested? Any photos or a pedigree?

accphotography Mon, 10/12/2009 - 15:08

[quote="TheSwingHorse"]Not to mention, she stated she wasn't sure who the sire was. Either the "silver bay" or a black tobiano. Could it be possible the black tobiano is smokey black? Has this horse been tested? Any photos or a pedigree?[/quote]

OMG you're a genius! I missed that!

Holly Mon, 10/12/2009 - 16:56

Ok here is a short sum it up history on the mare, she was bred in Feb 2008 to a black tobiano. My paint mare was bred to the same stallion. The Paint mare was a bay tobiano. They threw a solid colt, still not 100% sure on his color.... I will post pics.
Now she returned to heat in May. bred for 5 days to the silver bay stallion. She had several pregnancy tests, some said positive some said negative, BEFORE she bred in May.

April 5th 09 she foaled. Exactly 340 days after the last cover by the silver bay stallion. HOWEVER, this foal, we are talking about Tigger has the same, whorls in the exact same locations as the Paint mares foal, who is from the black tobiano stallion. NOW, the black tobiano stallion has had another colt before, another *black*, mind you he also has the exact same whorls in the exact same places. one on the forehead, one each side of the neck. weird. Ok had Tigger been sired by the black tobiano, he was carried just over 400 days, long but possible.

Now... Pic of the first colt the black tobiano sired:
[img]http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp31…]

and my colt also sired from the black tobiano stallion and a bay paint mare:
[img]http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp31…]
[img]http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp31…]
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[img]http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp31…]
shaved:
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[img]http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp31…]
[img]http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp31…]
and finally today:
[img]http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp31…]

And lastly Tigger again from today:
[img]http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp31…]
[img]http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp31…]

Fledgesflight Mon, 10/12/2009 - 17:36

I don't think it's possible for a Palomino to have black skin when born.

I stick with Silver Bay going Grey!

The other foal however, could absolutely be Smokey Black.

accphotography Mon, 10/12/2009 - 19:46

That foal really looks smokey black to me.

Franka was born with completely black skin and she is most definitely palomino.

RiddleMeThis Mon, 10/12/2009 - 19:49

[quote="accphotography"]Franka was born with completely black skin and she is most definitely palomino.[/quote]
And black ear tips. ;)

Fledgesflight Mon, 10/12/2009 - 23:03

Where did you see newborn pics of Franka? I only see one at 6 days, and the rest from 20 days?

RiddleMeThis Tue, 10/13/2009 - 00:20

[quote="Fledgesflight"]Where did you see newborn pics of Franka? I only see one at 6 days, and the rest from 20 days?[/quote]
Along with ACC's newborn photos, the second collage I posted is a yearling Franka in her winter woolies.

lipigirl Tue, 10/13/2009 - 07:36

I agree that the other foals could well be smokey blacks making the stallion carry cream however I am actually more likely to believe this foal in question is smokey black going grey than Palamino we've seen them look chestnut before....IMHO.

rabbitsfizz Tue, 10/13/2009 - 12:24

Added to which "the other foals look like this", thing just does not hold water.
I have had foals, full siblings, one came out mature at 29" and as delicate as a feather, a Buckskin Appy, the other came out mature at 34" a (possibly Smoky) Black and (I hope she does not see this!!) erm, ....heavyweight??? That seems pretty tactful :rofl
Both foals out of a Bay Roan mare by a Palomino base near Leopard.

So what the other foals looked like isn't really relevant.

Still am absolutely sure the foal is not Palomino base, I do not know where that is coming from, not at all!

accphotography Tue, 10/13/2009 - 13:50

Rabbit do you not see the other palomino going gray foal that was posted and that it is virtually IDENTICAL to the OP foal? I think that's evidence enough.

Holly Tue, 10/13/2009 - 14:08

In the post where the foal was known to be palomino, the main and tail are light, to the base.... My foals mane and tail are dark at the base, where the mane and tail are growing out, I am thinking is that what is causing confusion here? Doesnt a palomino have a lighter mane and tail from the body? In my foals case his mane and tail are growing in darker than his body, with gray hairs mixed in.

RiddleMeThis Tue, 10/13/2009 - 14:42

[quote="rabbitsfizz"]Added to which "the other foals look like this", thing just does not hold water.[/quote]
Yet just yesterday you said that a foal looked chestnut, and then posted a photo of what a silver bay foal is supposed to look like to illustrate you're point. If a horse needs to look a certain way to be one color why doesn't it work for another color?

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Fledgesflight Tue, 10/13/2009 - 17:59

ACC, was that foal (newborn pics) you posted tested for Extension and Cream? - and if so do you have better pictures of it's head in natural sunlight the day after delivery?

RiddleMeThis Tue, 10/13/2009 - 18:11

[quote="Fledgesflight"]ACC, was that foal (newborn pics) you posted tested for Extension and Cream? - and if so do you have better pictures of it's head in natural sunlight the day after delivery?[/quote]
The foal ACC posted was franka. She was tested for extension cream and gray. She came out ee CRcr Gg. I can't get you photos since Im on my phone but In sure ACC will when she signs on.

Fledgesflight Tue, 10/13/2009 - 23:35

Ah then nevermind- thought it were a different horse. I'd never dispute her not being a Palomino with Grey from her photo's from the link I gave (however she does look completely different in the photo's you posted- just goes to show photo's can be deceiving. btw while I was looking, I found that both Chestnuts and Pals can be born with pink (commonly pink for pals) or black skin- so that anwers your other thread ,(that RMT posted the link to here)but IMO until testin (if ever) still begs the op's original question here.

accphotography Wed, 10/14/2009 - 00:28

Yeah I think both this foal and the possible silver bay foal need to be tested. I'm going to send $25 to my friend and have her test her colt for extension.