Perlino??

I don't know... Adorable!

How odd!!! He's definitely a DD, but I've never seen one with any pigment that dark. VERY cool! And yes, I feel sure perlino.

Now that is really weird. :shock: :o

wow how cool!!!

Love her ears!!!

I love her but I think she got confused when she put her white sox on lol.

Ah, kids! Putting on their socks and then running outside the house and through the wet grass and dirt before putting their shoes on! :lol:

That's cool! (AND SO CUTE!!)
I wonder if the dam's color had something to do with it. Is that seal base or just mega soot? :shock:

She has the classic seal phenotype IMO.

[quote="accphotography"]She has the classic seal phenotype IMO.[/quote]

I had thought about that being why the color on her legs was so obvious even though the rest of her coat is so light.

It may be. Sealinos tend to be much darker and very similar to smokey creams so I wouldn't be surprised if that was influencing her and she may end up darker all over when she gets rid of the yak hair.

The mare had a smokey cream the year before I think it was, but no dark feets like this years!

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I did wonder too if it was the extra sooty that put the extra concentration of darker pigment on the feet maybe? I see the mare as much more sooty than seal. Just the way the black comes in around the dapples etc.. Looks more a mego sooty/smutty to me? She's just extra dark right now with the foal on her, but these are previous pictures.

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IMO sooty won't leave the muzzle like that. That's a seal thing.

This mare is a tested brown with no cream:
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Yeh I can see she's similar. I find it SO hard to understand the difference between the seal and a smutty bay sometimes *sigh*

IMO? Throw out sooty. I think they are beginning to prove it doesn't really exist... at least not in the way we thought it did.

If you don't believe in sooty how do you explain *whatever it is* on chestnuts and palominos?

I do agree there is sooty on chestnuts, yup. I own one. However it is seasonal, marbled and doesn't change the base color. I do not believe it will cause what that mare has or what the black chestnuts have.

Ok, I see. I agree there is a difference between a dark/liver/black chestnut and a sooty one (and palominos as well). I just thought you were throwing out sooty all together and I was confused!

I had a sooty bay, by they way. She was not seal -- not even close. Her coat was bright red bay but with an overlay of black hairs. It was seasonal.

And it's those that keep me believing that sooty DOES do something, just not quite to the extremes we've credited it with in the past.

This is typical sooty on palomino (photo True Colours Farm):
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It's a very typical place, tone, marbleyness, etc. It's completely seasonal too. Lace developed almost identical sooty last year (and I'm curious to see if she does it this year as well as it's grown every year).

This is typical sooty on buckskin (posted by DunCentralStation here):
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It has all the hallmarks as well, but you can still see her clear base coat underneath.

You can't see a clear basecoat under this in any season:
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Not to mention the classic light nose.

Ever since seeing the mare on the right is proven 'At' (also posted by DCS):
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I've started looking deeper into what I used to dismiss as sooty.

I really need to test my 2009 colt for At. He got his A from his dam who I know is Aa and she is sooty also. Would be interesting to know if she is At.

So what is causing the blackness in Palominos, that is far more pronounced than your example?
Like the Morgan mare that looks Silver, and the QH stallion that has a black mane and tail??

IMO a separate modifier gene that causes a liver chestnut base color.

I am inclined to agree (now I've thought about it) pally sooty is different from what I called sooty in a buckskin. I know with a lot of our shetties lines too, most of the buckskins and bays are very dark/sooty-ish, but the pallys aren't at all. They are mostly just creamy.

That's another thing... "sooty" looking horses out of very clear parents.

Well, IME, (in Minis, not in BHs, they were different, I think) the cream Palominos are Dun, and the "sooty" is Dun expressing........
The Sooty in BH Palominos was progressive, and may or may not have also been liked to Dun (not so likely as our Palominos were Welsh and Arab based) The clearest, non sooty ones seemed to be Sabino, when it was tightrope between getting a nice, deep Palomino that was clear, and getting too much white for registration!

If it were to be Liver it would explain how a TB X Welsh could be really sooty.

Here is another perlino by the same stallion. What I thought was a bit interesting is that he does seem to be a bit darker on that near fore, above the short sock? This colt is a year older, makes me wonder if the one in the original post might keep his dark points?? This one was just normal pale as a foal I think though.

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[quote]That's another thing... "sooty" looking horses out of very clear parents.[/quote]
Well, sooty could be recessive...

Any examples of nonsooty out of very clearly sooty parents?

[quote="Danni"]Here is another perlino by the same stallion. What I thought was a bit interesting is that he does seem to be a bit darker on that near fore, above the short sock? This colt is a year older, makes me wonder if the one in the original post might keep his dark points?? This one was just normal pale as a foal I think though.

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Maybe this is DUN expressing!!!

Really?! I always thought (before all the brown vs sooty thing came up) that dun got rid of most of the sooty effect. So a smuttyish buckskin with the same bay base would be a clearer dun? If that makes sense..?

That aside, none of the parents seem to have dun from this lot? The stallion Falcon doesn't seem to?

I found this colts baby pictures, and dam looks normal buckskin? I've even seen her in person too, and have pics and would definately say no dun? He does seem a little darker than normal on his lower leg from what I can see maybe?

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I agree it takes sooty away, however it leaves darker legs and such. Check the EAR TIPS on that boy!!