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Not MY horses but what are this colors

Hi! At the weekend I was on a ponygames competition to take some pictures for my thesis but I'm not completly sure about some colors.I hope you can help me. The first one I think is a snowcap leopard.He's 10 years old so I think he couldn't be a gray. [img]http://i55.tinypic.com/2rxwfms.jpg[/img] [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/35kpcmb.jpg[/img] The next one couldn't be dun because he hasn't an eelstripe. I think the undercoat is brownish and the hair tips look cream like you can see on the photo. [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/3147zmo.jpg[/img] [img]http://i56.tinypic.com/bx5js.jpg[/img] [url]http://ponyspiele001.bplaced.de/Ponyspiel-Bilder/2008/weitere%20Bilder%…] The last one is very curios for me.I don't have a good picture but I will show you everything I found.I think he also can't be a gray one because he didn't change in the last 6 or 7 years. [url]http://ponyspiele001.bplaced.de/Ponyspiel-Bilder/2007/weitere%20Bilder%…] [url]http://ponyspiele001.bplaced.de/Ponyspiel-Bilder/2007/weitere%20Bilder%…] [url]http://ponyspiele001.bplaced.de/Ponyspiel-Bilder/2007/weitere%20Bilder%…] [url]http://ponyspiele001.bplaced.de/Ponyspiel-Bilder/2007/weitere%20Bilder%…] On the last 3 pictures he sweat so you can see how the undercoat looks. Adurna

NZ Appaloosas Tue, 01/25/2011 - 18:05

a) There's no such thing as a "snowcap leopard". A snowcap is a blanket pattern, a leopard is a nose-to-toes pattern.
b) There is insufficient "white" for that horse to be a snowcap, in the true sense.
c) If he is an appaloosa cross and started out life with a pattern, he probably started with a lacey hip blanket, which is basically just little swatches of white across the bum/hips. He may have had snowflakes as well. For pattern, I would hazard that he is a varnish roan, with, as I said earlier, a snowflake pattern.

Diane

critterkeeper Wed, 01/26/2011 - 09:28

Pony 1: We think he is either a roan (some think sabino and I suspect rabicano too) or that he is a snowflake (think of individual sprinkles of snowflakes), not a snowcap (solid white "cap") pattern with varnish roan...

Pony 2: I think the second pony is either a bay or buckskin with varnish roan - he just hasn't finished roaning yet...lol. See how the color on the face is restricted to the bony areas - a varnish roan indicator; classic roan would stop at the head and this pony has too much frosting on his head/face for classic roan, imho).

Daylene Alford Wed, 01/26/2011 - 10:39

I don't think either horse carries LP. Neither has striped hooves or mottled skin. The first one I'm almost positive is just a classic roan in winter coat and the second I believe is a buckskin on a brown base (the lightness is winter coat) without anything else.

NZ Appaloosas Wed, 01/26/2011 - 16:20

Princess doesn't have striped feet or visible mottled skin ;-)

http://www.larrabeeappaloosas.com/foals…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Second foal down, left-hand column--that's a snowcap. They're LpLp, just like fewspots, but a fewspot has a gene or genes that make the nose-to-toes patterning. Fewspots have to have at least one leopard (born leopard) parent to inherit the nose-to-toes gene(s).

Diane

Daylene Alford Wed, 01/26/2011 - 19:45

[quote]Princess doesn't have striped feet or visible mottled skin[/quote]

Yes but Princess is the exception rather than the rule and in that photo (I'll recant if the Adurna comes back and says the horse has white patches on its bum and not just white hair) I still says its a red classic roan in a winter coat.

CheyAut Wed, 01/26/2011 - 21:13

I don't see roan AT ALL on the second, just buckskin (or brown with cream), in a winter coat. Mine looks like that in her winter woolies, as well (she's also silver and dun)

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/…]
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/…]

But in the summer...
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/…]
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/…]

The first one I think is varnish appy.

The third, assuming we're talking about the tiny one, is a red roan. Looks, color-wise, like my Welsh filly, but I don't have any good photos showing her in her winter woolies, this is the best I can do for now...
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/…]
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/…]

NZ Appaloosas Wed, 01/26/2011 - 22:35

[quote="admin"][quote]Princess doesn't have striped feet or visible mottled skin[/quote]

Yes but Princess is the exception rather than the rule and in that photo (I'll recant if the Adurna comes back and says the horse has white patches on its bum and not just white hair) I still says its a red classic roan in a winter coat.[/quote]

ROFL! There's a reason why the name "princess" popped into mind when she was born.

I'm not so sure that first one is app x, either--hence my saying "if".

Diane

NZ Appaloosas Thu, 01/27/2011 - 22:12

I'm torn between roan and appy varnish roan/snowflake...the heavier white over the rump, then add in the white coming in over the shoulder, etc., could easily be roan + snowflake.