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My Appaloosa Colt

UnSpottable March 11, 2010 February 22, 2011

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This is my 8 month old Appaloosa colt Spud... do you think he will color out? So far he is solid, besides his eyes nothing looks appaloosa on him =( Sire is a buckskin QH, Dam is a very Spotty app (I have pictures of her below) Pedigree here: [url]http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/myspotsundetectable[/url] Spud's dam (ps She is a completely level mare, I just took horrible pictures of her, but she isnt butt high) Spud [img]http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae215/flyinsolow/Spud/0307001239.jpg…] [img]http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae215/flyinsolow/Spud/0307001237.jpg…] [img]http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae215/flyinsolow/Spud/0307001157a.jp…] [img]http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae215/flyinsolow/Spud/0307001248.jpg…] [img]http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae215/flyinsolow/Spud/0307001245.jpg…] [img]http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae215/flyinsolow/Spud/0307001247.jpg…] [img]http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae215/flyinsolow/Spud/0307001244.jpg…]

NZ Appaloosas Fri, 03/12/2010 - 00:13

Most apps that roan out have the other characteristics...this guy's about as characteristic as my Bubba is, and he's out of a full leopard mare by a roaned blanket sire. By "rights", he should have been the loudest of the crop.

Diane

AppyLady Fri, 03/12/2010 - 08:16

The first picture looks like he[i] might [/i]have white sclera, but it's hard to tell. Does he? If so, he'll most likely roan at least a little as he ages. No white sclera = no roaning.

UnSpottable Fri, 03/12/2010 - 11:15

He does have white sclera, but no parti colored skin (except inside his mouth which doesn't count I know)

It doesn't matter too much, I was just wondering what his odds of varnishing out were... like 50/50?
He is going to be gelded asp. I have to register him yet... I'm hoping he gets color so I won't have to get a performance permit to show...
but if I have too I will becuase I love him. :roll:

He was free but already has cost me a ton :))

rabbitsfizz Fri, 03/12/2010 - 12:52

Yes, but sclera is not a sign of Appy, necessarily.
I have a Pinto colt, and his full sister, who have white sclera, so, although that is some coincidence, it could just be a coincidence.
Honestly, I would have expected at least a bit of striping on the feet, or a bit of flecking here and there.
On the other hand, stranger things have happened at sea, and I am sure we have all at least one tale to tell of a solid born animal spotting out later.

AppyLady Fri, 03/12/2010 - 18:45

Since your colt is out of an Appaloosa mare, it's quite likely that the white sclera[i] is [/i]a sign of LP, rather than just random white sclera. I've raised many (unfortunately!) non-patterned foals that showed no characteristics at birth other than white sclera. The mottled skin and striped hooves developed later (sometimes [i]much[/i] later). Those foals were the ones that were the slowest to develop color. The foals that were born with mottled skin roaned out faster, and to a greater degree, than the sclera-only foals.

However, that's just something I've observed with my own horses. It may or may not hold true for your colt.

I had a hard time getting regular papers on the foals with white sclera as their only characteristic.The ApHC requires mottled skin and one other characteristic. But it's worth a try. The papers can always be upgraded later.

accphotography Fri, 03/12/2010 - 21:00

I'm certain I've seen LP roans without white sclera. I also know I've seen TONS of non LP horses with sclera.

Monsterpony Fri, 03/12/2010 - 23:19

[quote="accphotography"]I'm certain I've seen LP roans without white sclera. I also know I've seen TONS of non LP horses with sclera.[/quote]
Agreed.

Arock Sat, 03/13/2010 - 06:13

[quote="Monsterpony"][quote="accphotography"]I'm certain I've seen LP roans without white sclera. I also know I've seen TONS of non LP horses with sclera.[/quote]
Agreed.[/quote]
Would you please post photos of the LP horses with non white sclera, if you find any? I have never seen any LP horse...even minimum traited LPs...without white sclera.

I have a tobiano/sabino mare that has white sclera. At first I thought she also inherited LP from her sire. The LP leg/feet traits are hidden when a white legged pattern is present. I waited to see if other traits such as mottled skin & coat changes appeared. She is an adult now with no LP showing at all so I have to agree on non LP horses having white sclera.

Arock Sat, 03/13/2010 - 13:10

[quote="accphotography"]And Diane would tell you to check her where the sun don't shine. :rofl[/quote]
:rofl Believe me...I have. :rofl

UnSpottable Sun, 03/14/2010 - 15:17

Lol, well this little guy so far is showing no signs anywhere... even where the sun don't shine (I already checked!) :lol:

Guess I will just wait and see! How exciting :D

Arock Sun, 03/14/2010 - 18:07

Seriously though, mottled genitals also have to do with males. My stallions have mottling in both areas. :roll:

My gelding also has mottling. He kept it after I gelded him :rofl :rofl

accphotography Sun, 03/14/2010 - 20:02

I think you guys are missing the [i]depth[/i] of my statement. :mrgreen: :oops: Diane's mare's mottling was only found with a [b]speculum[/b]. :mrgreen: ;)

AppyLady Mon, 03/15/2010 - 08:08

LOL! Unfortunately the ApHC won't accept that as proof of mottled skin. How in the world could you take a picture of it anyway?! The mottled skin has to be visible on the [i]outside[/i] -- you can't even part the lips.

accphotography Mon, 03/15/2010 - 14:04

Who CARES about the ApHC?! :rofl :rofl I simply meant from a genetics stand point.

rabbitsfizz Mon, 03/15/2010 - 14:53

Mottled skin is mottled skin....after all does it say "Must be clearly visible"?
And, actually, if you own a speculum,(or a very bright torch) this is clearly visible :rofl