Interesting bay

And we think he's not silver because!?

LOL, tested and no silver

Here he is as a weanling. His sire and dam don't look silver either, so silver wasn't really expected but they tested him for just about everything I think. EeAA

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Edit to say I was just looking at his sire and dam, both are very splashy bay tobianos with no colour on manes and tails. So colouring could have come from either!

I just thought it was cool anyway, bays that look silver and silver bays that look chestnut. Confusing world!!

Ok now that's just WEIRD. I might retest... although I doubt it'd be different. Darn he looks it though.

I think she was considering a retest at some stage, but I have a feeling it will still be no silver.

Hey does anyone have any other pictures of a similar thing I can show the owner? Some arabs can get quite light manes and tails can't they?

Several of Khartoon Khlassic's offspring and grand offspring have something similar. It also happens in Clydes a bit. I know of a couple cases that were every bit that light (although never that grayish, more yellowish) but it left as they aged.

Found a few, thanks!

yes this reminded me of clydes too - he's cute.

Here's an Andalusian filly with the same thing: http://tintagelandalusians.com/andalusi…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

scroll down to Despina. Do you guys think this could be a previously unnoticed gene sort if thing? Looks like flaxen bay. There's an updated video on their YouTube I think.

I was once told it was related to sabino on a horse game I used to play....I'd found a host of clyde horses with it and showed them to ask what made them do that. That's the only thing I was ever told and I don't know if it is correct or not. A clyde breeder told me that is what they always chalked it up to...again, this was 3 or so years ago.

This was years ago..but the app breeder I worked for had a few horses with these silver manes and tails, and she said it was the result of what she called smutty...which is sooty yes? Her breeding stallion was impressive bred, palomino and white and he was really shiny with silver mane and tail that got a little darker when he got older. He had a few flaxen foals, a chestnut with what they called flaxen but his mane and tail were silver, and a bay who's mane looked like that. The bay wasn't a registered app, came out of a grade mare (lady won a raffle at church for a breeding). The mare was a chestnut arab/qh from what the owners said so I don't know what was masked. He had a black foal like that as well, but he went from being born with solid spotted blanket to roaned out when he got older.

[quote="Third Peppermint"]Here's an Andalusian filly with the same thing: http://tintagelandalusians.com/andalusi…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

scroll down to Despina. Do you guys think this could be a previously unnoticed gene sort if thing? Looks like flaxen bay. There's an updated video on their YouTube I think.[/quote]I think she got the wrong results and the filly is ee.

If she didn't get the wrong results imo its a combination of extreme wild bay, and extreme baby flaxen.

Here's her newer video: http://www.youtube.com/user/shtintagel" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; It's the Despina video. Her mane and tail are a lot darker now. I cant say if her testing was messed up, though. They have some odd colored andies, thats for sure.

That Andalusian is interesting, it's actually quite similar to the horse I posted? She has a darker core to her tail too. So she could be bay?

I still don't know what to think of her. She is the epitome' of odd, even beyond the one you posted.

Ya know, that reminds me of the rumored 'silver bay' andalusian stallion that I don't think anyone was able to track down. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vivntTy_…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I've heard all kinds of things about him, some saying he was tested and didn't pop for silver. But I've heard sooty palomino, sooty flaxen chestnut, ect. Any of you had a discussion about this stallion yet?

No way that's palomino or chestnut. He's either funky bay, or silver.

[quote="accphotography"]No way that's palomino or chestnut. He's either funky bay, or silver.[/quote]
I don't know what he is. It's been around on other forums for a few years now, and there's people that have said he was tested and he didn't test for silver, and there was a person saying he was tested but tested ee. Tho no papers were produced, and I don't think registration papers were ever produced either. All the messages were from people outside his owners. And it became this, he said she said thing on the net, where I guess the owners took all his info off the net, and he was sold and the original owners left the country(?). I don't remember what forum it was on, but there was a person that said to have seen him in person because they considered buying him. The owners gave them names of his pedigree but he had no papers, and that person ended concluding they were a sooty chestnut based on horses names that were given.

I did think I remembered discussing him before, but it turns out it wasn't here. there used to be a lovely conformation photo of him that showed his coloring well too, but it's gone now apparently.

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Wish I saw what that looked like. I've seen what ever cause sooty do some freaky weird stuff to a horses color before, so thats why I was thinking this horse was a result of sooty. Looked so much like that filly, which I am surprised tested as bay. I've seen feral horses with no black marks on their lower legs at all, but they all kept their mane color.

Sooty doesn't take black away, doesn't it put black on?? Or are you saying you think it does both?

I always thought it put it on. I had a breeder once blame the mane and tail what I think is sooty. Her palomino stud had a really silvery mane and tail. He had a bay, or what I thought was bay foal out of a grade mare, and his mane and tail were the color of that horse in the photos, but I don't know anything about the mare to rule out silver. And he also had a black foal with light mane and tail like that, but he roaned out so much you can't tell where his original appaloosa markings are.

I don't think it's sooty, because for that so show up on a bay in the hair, it would have to be lightened by something else...and flaxen in bays doesn't occur does it? My first post I guess it just reminded me of these apps, and I started to ramble...like I'm doing now XD lol.

EDIT: Reading back on my first post, I must have been rambeling off and not thinking. I said the stud is palomino, and the mare was chestnut..and the foal was bay....how LOL. And now this is weird, because I distinctly remember her being chestnut, cause she was the piggiest mare I ever had the misfortune of cleaning a stall for. I could have sworn they say that foal was bay and I only saw a foal picture of him with in the first few days. Maybe I misremembered incorrectly? Cause he had the light legs of a foal, which usually shed out to show their true color. =____= I think I had to have misremember, or was misinformed. Either way, where's the rabbit to give me that de-footer she offered LOL.

Please ignore all my 3am ramblings from this point on.

This sort of thing always excites me because we don't know what is going on and we have no name for it yet....love it ! :ymsmug:

Arco Iris was in Canada, no? I seem to recall seeing pics of him a long while back on the horse forum I admin at which has a large Canadian member base...wonder if anyone there would know his whereabouts...

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/arco+ir…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and is this the same boy? there is a picture there and it seems to look like what you all are talking about. Gorgeous color

http://www.equinehits.com/horses-for-sa…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and there be the sales ad for that horse back in '08 with 3 pictures of him.

Yep thats him! Wonder when the pedigree went up, every time I looked I got a Paso with that name.

I got a huge list of horses with that name...the andalusian wasn't him or didn't have a picture...but the one under lusitano had that picture so I assumed it was him. Then I went in to see where the picture was hosted and found that old for sale ad on equinehits.com from that...LOL

Wow, surprised me he tested not silver! The body tone looks so silver to me as well, just like one of my silver bay minis!

I missed it because he's listed Andy on youtube and Lusi on All breed! I know they used to be together in one, but I prefer they at least stick with one or the other....

Yeah I don't think we will ever know about him. Another person says they are lusi x andy cross that didn't come with papers so who knows who his real bloodline is. And we really don't know if he's been tested or not, some say yes, some say no, some say he's chestnut. But no one has produced results ;_; *sad face*