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That's a blanket not a snowcap, you can see the start of spots on it if you look closely....it will probably pattern out over the rest of him as he grows older...or it might not.
Gotta love Appies :rofl :rofl

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Now all we need is to find tobiano in Quarter Horses and we'll be all set... :rofl :rofl :bounce :bounce

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I truely didn't know it didn't exist in them ! :shock:

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Now all we need is to find tobiano in Quarter Horses and we'll be all set... :rofl :rofl :bounce :bounce

There was one way back when , I forgot her name...Delta something. Dam was a grey minimal tobi. Obviously she didnt stay in the breed due to the white rules. :?

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I'm sure there are very minimal tobianos floating around. I did a search earlier and found one that had socks with ermine spots,but I can't remember if that is restricted to tobiano alone.

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No its not. :)

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What's the dam's pedigree?

I'm not sure...Vicki has Reminic In Spots, and I'm not sure what her connection with the Shining Spark foal is...my other source hasn't provided me with the dam's name either. The foal has what most people would say was a small hip blanket or a lacy blanket (I'd go for small hip blanket myself). Some would say "snowcap", others MIGHT say false snowcap (which could be possible--he's got a star, which could indicate sabino and thus a sabino boost to the blanket).

But to be a true snowcap, the foal would have to have two Lp carrying parents, which means that one of them would have shown some sort of pattern, having Lp and PATN. For this foal to be out of two QH parents, one has had to provide the PATN, the other Lp, and the foal inheriting the two genes (or gene complexes) to produce the coat pattern.

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I have the dams name but not sure if I should put up .

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Heather, can you PM me? I do know that one source believes the dam's line is the "culprit".

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I wish it was the sire line, but several things about the dam make me think it's her. However, IMO Shining Spark HAS to be a contributing factor IMO. I seriously doubt the dam is both LP and PATN. I think the dam is the LP culprit.

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Well, yeah, that's what I meant :laugh1 With so much unknown as to what makes/allows Lp to express (that ellusive PATN), I look at any horse that has white on it as a potential PATN donor. And Shining Spark does have a classic blaze/snip, and what (on allbreed, anyway) could be a white sock on the left hind. Of course, he's in grass halfway up to his knees in that photo, so who knows...

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Resurrecting this...Vicki's done a website for Reminic In Spots. http://www.reining-appaloosa.com/Reminic..." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Click on his dam's photo for a larger version AND go check out the full sister. I'm seeing a big ole ??? on her genetic make-up!

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I think it's VERY clear the dam is at least LP. The full sibling is definitely LP as well. Ringo loosk normal to me so I'll say he's the PATN carrier.

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I agree, there is definately something going on with that breeding combination. :bounce I bet those 2 could produce even louder foals if bred to Appys.

I wonder if the sister would produce a "spotted foal" if bred to PATN carrier :-? ... I'd sure like to "experiment" with several different potential sires ;;) .

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Resurrecting this...Vicki's done a website for Reminic In Spots. http://www.reining-appaloosa.com/Reminic..." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Click on his dam's photo for a larger version AND go check out the full sister. I'm seeing a big ole ??? on her genetic make-up!

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Ahh you beat me to it :bounce ..She sent it on here too, great info there!

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I got pictures of the baby-daddy today, he was at a show I was at , he is quite hansome and a great reiner...lots of skill. I will put some up tomorrow when I wake up LOL

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Now all we need is to find tobiano in Quarter Horses and we'll be all set... :rofl :rofl :bounce :bounce

There is a mare that is AQHA roan minimal tobiano, and if I remember correctly all her sorrel foals are tobiano (registered APHA) all her black based ones are roan (registered AQHA) (she was bred to the same AQHA stud for all foals) and I do believe there are a couple more known tobi AQHA's out there. I have pics somewhere I will try to find them.

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Are people intentionally not breeding them?

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Up until recently recently, yes. Anything that went over the AQHA's white restrictions were offloaded into the APHA or sold off as grade, most likely. With the relaxation of the AQHA's excessive white rules, these horses are now allowed registration papers, so I would imagine, like the Lp "pop-outs", we'll see the other patterns popping out as well.

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60s 70s even the 80s I know of people that bought and sold papers for unregistered foals...there was no DNA-ing going on back then.

I got some really really cool looking reining pics , that was FUN!!! They are exciting pics to take.I will try to get some up in a little bit ..

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Speaking of white rules, APHA is thinking of lowering the qualifying zone. I think this is awsome news for the sabinos and splashed whites. They are moving the line on the legs down to the center of the knees and hocks and the line on the face, instead of being corner of lip to base of ear, would be corner of lip to outer corner of eye to base of ear. It will be voted on at the next convention (Oct.)

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Wow... it's going to be really strange having AQHAs have all patterns (and colors?) known to man.

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The baby daddy.. He has great temperment, both their boys really did...look like hard working sturdy animals...

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Wow... it's going to be really strange having AQHAs have all patterns (and colors?) known to man.

Wow thats really cool. You sure there is no color left out? Do they have all modifers? like pangare and whatnot

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I can't think of a single thing they don't have.

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Okay, now which baby-daddy is this--never mind, just re-read the whole thread and have my "i"s crossed and "t"s dotted? So he has two white socks...hmmmm

And does anyone remember what I was supposed to ask my historian person? (man, talk about having blonde moments...think this is crossed with a senior moment, so twice as forgetful! :laugh1 )

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Is he Rabicano or Sabino...or both?? He looks to have some white "roaning" around his flank/belly area?

The baby daddy.. He has great temperment, both their boys really did...look like hard working sturdy animals...

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He's rabicano. I find most of the best reining and cutting horses are rabicano... maybe it's linked to the catty gene. :rofl (I also find most of them red... hmmmm... maybe rabicano is linked to extension too. :laugh1 )

Who is this horse again? Reminic Ringo?

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I can't think of a single thing they don't have.

Oh...tobiano is in them? can I see one? I don't think I've seen a tobi AQHA

mushroom? LOL

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nice. i googled mushroom quarter horse and got this: http://gallery.nachzen.net/main.php?g2_v..." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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