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Horse(s) similar to Gamblin Man in pattern?

Gander March 24, 2009 February 22, 2011

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I recently saw a photo of Gamblin Man who, at least on his off side, looked as if he were half-white and half-black in coloration (top half black, bottom half white - as if he were a black horse dipped into milk). Apparently he died in 2002, but does anyone know of any other horses who are marked similarly to that? (thanks for reminding me of his name earlier, accphotography) :)

Heather Tue, 03/24/2009 - 07:19

There is another one, his name is like Im so Macho? or something of the sort...I have to try to remember and find his site. Ive seen a handful like gamble man, but they are certianly not that common like that , I love it!

ETA..found him http://www.papinipainthorses.com/index2…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[img]http://www.papinipainthorses.com/macho/…]

[img]http://www.papinipainthorses.com/macho/…]

Krickette Tue, 03/24/2009 - 10:44

i have to say, i think splash is my favorite pattern....
[img]http://www.drkminiatures.com/images/Sha…]
is sort of kind of like that
[img]http://cactusroseranch.tripod.com/gambl…]
[img]http://www.myhorse.com/assets/On_Trail/…]
[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RG3Vydt2ESo/R…]
[img]http://www.freewebs.com/dunsplashinpint…]
[img]http://www.myhorse.com/assets/Health/Na…]
[img]http://www.reiningnsw.com/images/sonny…]
[img]http://www.fairplayfarm.net/images/splw…]
[img]http://snowviewstud.bravehost.com/myPic…]
[img]http://www.shawsperformancehorses.com/J…]
[img]http://www.shawsperformancehorses.com/J…]
[img]http://www.shawsperformancehorses.com/J…]
[img]http://www.shawsperformancehorses.com/J…]
[img]http://www.shawsperformancehorses.com/J…]

Gander Tue, 03/24/2009 - 11:14

[quote="Krickette"]

Wow, what beautiful animals!!! Thanks so much, Heather and Krickette! :)

That first horse on Krickette's post is like a Breyer model - yowza! And do you know the name of the sixth one down - the white one with the chestnut 'top line' and thick, poofy tail? Stunning!

OK, with that one...what color would you call that? I'm guessing it has a chestnut 'base coat,' but there might be a tone in that white (yellow, like cremello - or it could just be the lighting on the overcast day making him look a bit yellow/pink).

That particular horse doesn't match the Wikipedia definitions of either overo or tobiano (for tobiano, it mentions white across the back and down the legs, with a head usually dark and traditional face markings) (for overo, it's listed as usually more dark than white, the white rarely crosses the back, lower legs normally dark).

Perhaps it's a sabino rather than either overo or tobiano?

And is "splash" something that can be shown clearly in a photo, or must a horse be tested to prove it?

I know....definitely Horse Color 101 questions, ha ha....and clearly, Wikipedia is not necessarily the world's best color reference source.

I see that I'm So Macho is no longer listed as a stallion on the Papini Paint Horses website. Too bad. He's a beauty.

Thanks so much! :)

Krickette Tue, 03/24/2009 - 11:24

The 6th one is Son Of A Gun
http://www.shawsperformancehorses.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and splash is a pattern that a lot of people here are really good at spotting, but I'm still learning about. It can be easy to spot, but sometimes it gets mixed with other patterns and gets confusing. (to me at least).

For future refrence and safety, don't use the term overo. ^_^
look here at white patterns, there are several "overo" patterns, splash, frame, and...I guess sabino is considered one...

Morgan Tue, 03/24/2009 - 11:56

OHH great pics Krickette!

Yes Tobiano, Frame, Splashed White, And Sabino ane 4 distinct patterns(though there appear to be multiple kinds of sabino, and possibly of splash, they are similar enough visiually to be categorically together). The usual definition of "overo" (white in the middle, not crossing topline, solid tail and legs, white face) really only accounts for Frame. Why the other two got lumped in I have no idea, except that they were "not tobiano", splash and sabino have white legs almost by definition and splash will easily cross the top line and make a two colored tail (albeit upside down from what tobi would do). really the only thing the three have in common that tobiano does not have is the white face, and each has adifferent kind of white face.
So thats why we like to use the 4 pattern names instead of overo.
Currently there are only tests for Frame, Tobiano and a certain variant of Sabino. It will be awesome when they get a test for splash, personally though I think what takes so long is they are not identifying them correctly and that there may be more than one versino like with sabino. Full blown classic splash like those above is uncommon, usually it gets muddled with other patterns or is just not as high. And then if you're using "solid" horses with normal markings as control it's entirely possible for a few minimals to hide in there and confuse you. So I simpathize with any researchers looking for it.

Heather Tue, 03/24/2009 - 13:24

If am rememebring correctly he is an offspring of Encore? I did some google searching for more relative once as I like his pattern type too, and I will also do advanced searches on Dreamhorse.com and equine.com as you will see horses for sale 2-3 generations down that still have the look and its fun to see some that are in peoples backyards!

Gander Tue, 03/24/2009 - 13:33

I just did a bit more Googling and found a couple of horses who might still be alive who have similar/very unusual patterning. http://www.coloredhorses.com/Splashpain…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; shows some wonderful horses.

I'm actually seeking living horses to photograph, and it's surprising how hard it is to track some of these horses down! My favorite is an unbelievable animal named Anangel N Disguise (if that's the correct name), but there's almost nothing on that beauty online. And Kenos Dynamite looks remarkable. He's listed as owned by Penny Cates but, in looking at her farm's website, he's not on there. He'd be 20 so he might not be around any more. Darn.

I saw Encore listed on the page, Heather, down near the bottom. He's gorgeous! They mention he's sabino rather than splash....but wow.

Thanks again.

Krickette Tue, 03/24/2009 - 16:07

If you want to see a splash that's muddled together with frame and sabino, you can look at the pictures of jazz in my post "FINALLY". ^_^ you can see the frame fought the leg white down and gave her the funky mark on her side, the sabino gave her the white under her chin and the jagged edges to her pattern, I'm not sure which is to blame for her markings on her chest, though, I forget. Also I think her belly spot is just from sabino.

accphotography Tue, 03/24/2009 - 18:15

Horses from Gunner's (AQHA's Colonels Smoking Gun) family often show very loud and obvious splash characteristics (himself included).

Horses from Barlink's (APHA's Barlink Macho Man) family also have frame (well some do) but very often show some LOUD expression of splash.

If you want current horses with patterns like Gamblin Man, you're best bet is the Gunner family. My own mare (Lacy) is a case of splash in it's more minimal (thought it can be much more minimal than her) form. Minis also have alot of splash and alot of loud ones. Here's a cool example for you:

Sire:
[img]http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w65/…]

Dam:
[img]http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w65/…]

Foal:
[img]http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w65/…]
[img]http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w65/…]

Splash is my favorite pattern as well as RiddleMeThis'. Her and I have dedicated a tremendous amount of time to studying it and have a never ending list of cool splash horses.

Oh here's another cool one from the Barlink family(negative for frame too):
[img]http://www.highcountryhorses.com/hchors…]

Gander Tue, 03/24/2009 - 19:00

More later tonight, but I just received a note that Kenos Dynamite is no longer living. I didn't want anyone trying to help locate him so as not to waste anyone's time.

Just took a glimpse at the pics you posted, accphotography - can't wait to take a longer look tonight after I finish some taxes! (ugh)

NZ Appaloosas Tue, 03/24/2009 - 21:26

Here's the stallion that's down the road and around the bend a bit from our place.

http://www.pegasussporthorses.co.nz/pub…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here are some of his progeny:

http://www.pegasussporthorses.co.nz/pub…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The second one, Shamen's Snappy Dresser, is out of a solid TB mare.

They don't have any photos of the foal from this year that is absolutely adorable. Has daddy's topline colouring, but the medicine hat looks more like a baseball cap--he's very Dennis the Menace-ish in appearance!

Diane

Morgan Tue, 03/24/2009 - 22:34

There's also the Abaco horses. They have some crazy splash and as far as I can tell about nothing else.(except something making stars but can put that down to very minimal sabino probably and it's not visibly making any effect on the main pattern)
http://www.arkwild.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
[img]http://www.geocities.com/smh4hc/abacoho…]
[img]http://www.equinekingdom.com/images/aba…]

accphotography Wed, 03/25/2009 - 00:16

In fact, Icelandics are lovely example of splash sometimes:
http://www.sandcreekicelandics.com/Hors…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That site just has a few, but searching for Icelandics will give you more.

The Morgan site also has some nice splashes:
http://colormorgans.tripod.com/splashwh…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I just adore MEMC On Target.

Gander Wed, 03/25/2009 - 00:35

Jazz is really unusual, Krickette - love her markings! :)

I've noticed Gunner and think he's pretty amazing. When a horse appears with such major white on his/her face, is it generally splash, or is it more often sabino? A case in point would be Sinatras Reply (TB):

http://www.barbaralivingston.com/galler…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.barbaralivingston.com/galler…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Assuming he's sabino, how can a person tell that he's sabino rather than splash? (sorry to keep asking such novice questions!)

NA Appaloosas, that's a really handsome stallion down the road from you.

accphotography Wed, 03/25/2009 - 00:59

Sinatra is CLASSIC splash. He's likely also sabino (most horses have some form of sabino or another) but IMO the only thing making him look different from any other "normal" Thoroughbred is splash. A bald head is the single most obvious trait of splash. His leg white and the way it flows up his body from underneath all confirm it, not to mention his pedigree.

Morgan Wed, 03/25/2009 - 01:04

easiest answer is to check the eyes. splash makes blue eyes with pink skin, sabino fights to keep the color of the eyelids and will never cause a blue eye. the two can be on the same horse (see Lord Douglas in my photo album,similarly marked to this guy). that TB is very obviously splash to me. no eyeliner and blue eyes and his head is "dunked".

Krickette Wed, 03/25/2009 - 08:37

I always forget, I know splash causes blue eyes, but I forget if any other patterns do. Also, can't thoroughbreds be frame? I know I could just google but I'm on my blackberry and in class, lol.

Gander Wed, 03/25/2009 - 10:58

[quote="Krickette"]Also, can't thoroughbreds be frame? I know I could just google but I'm on my blackberry and in class, lol.[/quote]

Is this guy frame? (TB)

http://www.barbaralivingston.com/galler…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I love that Sinatras Reply is splash. I didn't know that. You mention his pedigree being a good indicator, accphotography. Are there other Puchilinguis who are splash that you know of? (fingers crossed - I just love those Puchis) Puchi himself wasn't one (?).

I'll check the eyes in the future, Morgan, to try to guess at splash. Interesting.

And earlier, when "stars" are mentioned in relation to splash, that just means a star on the face, yes, rather than some nifty body marking called a 'star'?

Morgan Wed, 03/25/2009 - 11:45

[quote="Gander"][quote="Krickette"]Also, can't thoroughbreds be frame? I know I could just google but I'm on my blackberry and in class, lol.[/quote]

Is this guy frame? (TB)

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I would say definitly frame.

Oh, and yes star means star on the face :) for some reason it had never occured to me that splash was doing the star and snip thing, even though it should have ben obvious with the icelandics lol