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Re: Horse/Pony breeds with Frame
So what breeds need to be added/removed? Also a bit OT but I know someone said something about some people that saved a LWO foal.

....how on earth did they do that??????????...please share. :shock: :?

As far as I know they CANT. The nerves just aren't there.

What they COULD have had was a Dominant White, or a Max sabino, or some other combination that gave them a completely white foal.

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I swear someone said that some people dumped a whole heap of money into some invasive surgeries for a lwo foal and fixed the problem. I could just be crazy though.

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I've seen that too. But I think it only happened once or twice and I'm not sure how long the horse survived.

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I can't even envision how that is physically possible. Horses can't survive without a functional colon.

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No way.. Someone was tellin tall tales..that would be such huge news in the horse world it would be headlines everywhere.

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Interesting the same tale would be heard by at least three people from different circles.

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I know, but....well, that is how Urban Myths start, isn't it??
It is more than possible it was a Max Sabino, coincidentally born with some sort of gastric problem.....

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So what were the two Australian breeds with frame? Australian Drafts and Australian Stock Horses?? The Aussie Drafts don't have frame, not sure why they would? I personally don't know any ASH's with frame either but I guess it's possible from the QH's. Shetlands certainly don't have frame and Timor ponies having it doesn't sound right to me either. I always though it was an American mutation of some sort?
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The stock horses have frame, and I found a website with some very obvious frame horses.
http://www.vpstud.com/stallions/stallion..." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
As far as the Drafts, there are some with some funky leg white but thats about it and was the only reason I questioned it.

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Oh yeh I know those horses, didn't realise they were registered ASH.They are paints on breeding though, but yeh certainly means there are ASH frames.
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Is the list on the first page the most updated? I would like to include a list of known frame breeds in my thesis paper and this seems to be the most complete that I can find. Also, what about appaloosas? I know that they are particular about pinto patterns, but it there is a history of AQHA blood in the breed.

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We should probably break it up into breeds proven to have frame - i.e. tested - and breeds believed to have frame and then breeds which are questionable. Can we add it to the site as well? Perhaps we can work on Tobiano lists, sabino lists, splash lists..

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I think it would fit in if table were put in each of the sections on the white patterns page.

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Frame seems to have been kept out/weeded out of the appaloosa gene pool...most of what I've seen/heard about are splash/sabino type excess white.

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Might it be relevant to make a list of breeds that are known not to have Frame??

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I agree, as long as we use a disclaimer that anything is possible. LOL! The last thing we need is a negative mare to an Arab stallion have a lethal foal and they blame us. Obviously that is insanely unlikely, but you just never know.

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Well, not so long ago there were definitely no Frame TBs, so "stranger things have happened at sea!!"
And I have seen a couple of very Frame looking Arabs. Pretty sure they are Sabino, but you just never do know.

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I will be updating and breaking this list down into the mentioned categories (known and possible). I think I will make/add a new list of tobiano too.
Also can this be a Sticky? or are we going to just add the list to the white pattern page?

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We can do both =)

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So what's with the Timor ponies then, I'm sure I've never heard of them having frame??

edit as I forgot the never bit LOL!

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I would add a very big disclaimer that the list is of known breeds, but definitely not all inclusive.

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I know that the Racking Horse registry will allow horses that rack that are not eligible at birth into their registry if they pass an inspection of gait...so say you have a SSH or TWH that racks, it's able to be reg. as a Racking Horse..so by default, Racking Horses can have Frame Overo in their breed.

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I'm still working on breaking down the list, but I thought this horse breed was interesting!
Campolina, which is in the possible category
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Re: Horse/Pony breeds with Frame

Possible- Based on phenotype

American Saddlebred
American Warmblood
Australian Draught Horse
Australian Stock Horse
Azteca
Campolina
Criollo
Curly
Falabella
Gelderland
Missouri Fox Trotter
Morgan
National Show Horse
Quarter pony

Known Breeds- based on phenotype and testing

American Paint Horse
American Quarter Horse
American Indian Horse
American Shetland Pony
Miniature Horse
Mustang
Nokota
Spanish Mustang
Spotted Kentucky Mountain Saddle Horse
Spotted Saddle horse
Tennessee Walking Horse
Thoroughbred

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AQHA needs to be in the known breeds. It is rare, but there is a case study published in the mid-2000s about a QH mare having a LWO foal.

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Done, also this does not include a lot of pony breeds that are out there, just some mainstream ones so far.

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Why is the Australian Draught in there? There is no paint or QH breeding in them?

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Based on phenotype alone, its possible IMO, likely? no, caused by something else? DW probably, but I'd rather be safe than sorry;
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Shires and gypsies often have one dark leg like that, I thought it was a sabino thing. Its surely unlikely in Gelderlanders too?

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Australian Drafts would be no more likely to have frame than Clydesdales or Shires. I see nothing in those horses that looks frame anyway? I see a splash face and usual draft sabino or whatever you want to call it?

I'd say Aussie Draughts definitely aren't a frame possible breed.

Realistically isn't it mostly american breeds that could have frame, or breeds in other countries with influence by american breeds?

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