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Help re colour testing please

stinkbomb August 18, 2010 February 22, 2011

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Hi everyone. Im new :mrgreen: I have a silver dapple miniature stallion who has covered his first visiting mare this year. I am looking at buying a mare for myself and would like to get My stallion colour tested to give me a better idea of what colour mare to choose from. ( i do understand there is more to choosing a mare than colour! ) He is a typical silver black. His sire is a silver dun and his dam a bay. Am i right in thinking the only colour test i need to do is for the red gene? I am presuming he will be heterozygous for Silver as his dam is a standard bay? Is there anything else i should test for? Sorry if this sounds silly im new to colours! :mrgreen:

JNFerrigno Wed, 08/18/2010 - 11:24

And would silver dilute the coat of a black horse so much that it could mask the effects of dun? I thought maybe silver would heighten it's dilution but might still be hard to tell.

Monsterpony Wed, 08/18/2010 - 13:32

Based on his breeding, he is E? aa Zz so you are correct in all you need is extension (red/black). Also, given that he is a mini, which is a breed that carries frame/lethal white over, I would recommend testing for that just so you can be positive that he is not a carrier.

rabbitsfizz Wed, 08/18/2010 - 13:49

Hallo there, what is his breeding?
You might test him for Dun, too, as all my Silver Blacks have always looked Dun, at birth, anyway, so if one actually was Dun it might slip past me!

stinkbomb Wed, 08/18/2010 - 13:55

Hi everyone, thanks for your replies.

His sire is Rio Bella Farms im a Cowboy. I cant post pics at the moment but if anyone has time to look on Golden Oaks miniature horse stud website his sire is on there and my mini is Golden Oak Mochachino who is pictured on the first page of the site too!

Would the silver totally disguise the dun then???

Danni Wed, 08/18/2010 - 18:34

Yeh I'd call that typical silver black? What were you thinking of with a silver black?

Stickbomb, I love your little gelding, Ty. He's gorgeous!! His dun is obvious anyway!!! Yeh I'd just test your stallion for red/black.

rabbitsfizz Thu, 08/19/2010 - 03:31

I am not sure Minky is Dun, has he sired Duns from non Dun mares?
The gelding doesn't look as if he is Dun, so we are no further forward.
He looks to be a straightforward Silver Black, so you could test to see if he has Red....are you doing the "everything for one price" test?
Minky is LWO-, pretty sure of that, nothing in the pedigree all the way back, what is the dams name?

stinkbomb Thu, 08/19/2010 - 03:58

Thanks everyone, will send the sample off today!!

Ty is a lovely colour, believe him to be silver dun and white, not sure of his official title though!!

Jenks Thu, 08/19/2010 - 08:14

[quote="Danni"]Yeh I'd call that typical silver black? What were you thinking of with a silver black?
[/quote]

I didn't know they faded like that - specifically talking about the pics where he appears to be greying (I know that's not a possiblity) but the dapples and all? That's typical? (It may be my new favorite color). I love greys - and I often wish I could keep them when they are just starting to go - you know?

stinkbomb Thu, 08/19/2010 - 09:35

Jenks - He fades during the winter and once clipped about February time he is still faded. However during the year he gradually gets darker and darker in his body and then we start again the next year!

rabbitsfizz Thu, 08/19/2010 - 15:01

The dapples are absolutley typical, that is why the colour is misnamed Silver Dapple.
Stinky, I am not sure about Dun, I'll go look up his pedigree.

rabbitsfizz Thu, 08/19/2010 - 15:16

RIO BELLA FARMS IMA COWBOY
Pedigree report
08/19/2010

****1***2***3***4***5***6***7***8***9****************************************
| | | | UNKNOWN - UNREG.
| | | SLIGO SAM - R 00457P
| | | |[04/01/1972 : S : SCS : - : DC : 28.000]
| | | | UNKNOWN - UNREG.
| | SLIGO LITTLE STORMY - R 01897P
| | |[05/04/1975 : S : SWT : BD : - : 29.000]
| | | | UNKNOWN - UNREG.
| | | SLIGO SNOWFLAKE - R 00686P
| | | |[01/01/1969 : M : SWT : - : - : 33.000]
| | | | UNKNOWN - UNREG.
| DELS COWBOY - A 04844
| |[02/17/1981 : S : SPA : BD : - : 30.500]
| | | | UNKNOWN - UNREG.
| | | DOUBLE O SEVEN MOTO - R 00198P
| | | |[01/01/1969 : S : SPA : - : - : 30.000]
| | | | UNKNOWN - UNREG.
| | RUTH HAYNES MOTO - A 03461
| | |[03/17/1974 : M : SCS : - : - : 28.500]
| | | PAMMY M MOTO - UNREG.
RIO BELLA FARMS IMA COWBOY - A 88429
|[04/09/1997 : S : DSL : DN : - : 29.500]
| | | | UNKNOWN - UNREG.
| | | STOUTS MISTER PRIDE - I 00184
| | | |[01/01/1963 : S : SSR : - : DC : 30.500]
| | | | UNKNOWN - UNREG.
| | MC SAM - E 00259
| | |[05/08/1974 : S : SSR : BD : - : 30.500]
| | | | | UNKNOWN - UNREG.
| | | | STOUTS MISTER PRIDE - I 00184
| | | | |[01/01/1963 : S : SSR : - : DC : 30.500]
| | | | | UNKNOWN - UNREG.
| | | STOUTS SWEET MELODY - I 00410
| | | |[08/01/1970 : M : SSR : - : - : 32.000]
| | | | STOUTS GRANDMA - UNREG.
| BMAS MCASHLEY JR - A 47868
| |[06/06/1992 : M : RDN : - : - : 31.000]
| | | UNKNOWN - UNREG.
| | BRUCES TWINKLE - A 13766
| | |[01/01/1980 : M : SGR : - : - : 34.000]
| | | UNKNOWN - UNREG.
****1***2***3***4***5***6***7***8***9****************************************
Total AMHA Registered Horses: 13
Highest Generation Level (Registered Horses): 4

OK, Del's Cowboy is a Dunalino, I am pretty sure, and him coming out Silver Black is a bit of a shock, I can't find the colour key thingy...I keep losing it too! RDN I think, is Roan something, but I am at a loss to explain where it came from!
Short answer is he could well carry Cream (this is the sire, so your boy could too) and could well be a Dun!
* Just found the colour code, RDN is Roan Dun, but I am thinking it was not Roan, probably Silver Black + Dun.
AMHA is notorioulsy bad on colour!!!

stinkbomb Thu, 08/19/2010 - 15:47

Hmm i thought Dels cowboy was a Palomino??

Im totally confused with colours now :lol: :?

Edited to add most of Minkies foals are silver blacks :smile:

Monsterpony Thu, 08/19/2010 - 16:37

[quote="stinkbomb"]rabbitsfizz - Not sure on dun foals. I know he has sired buckskins out of not buckskin mares if that helps??
[/quote]

If he has sired buckskins out of non-buckskin mares, then he'd be a buckskin or cream carrier. Are you sure the buckskins are not bay duns?

stinkbomb Thu, 08/19/2010 - 18:01

Not sure on the bay dun thing, im only going off the breeders website describing her foals.

supaspot60 - Im Sally... but i am Littleman on the irish forum!

Here are some other photos of my stallion Inky, just so you can see the degree his coat changes..

yearling..

[img]http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r278…]

others throughout the year..

[img]http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r278…]
[img]http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r278…]
[img]http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r278…]
[img]http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r278…]
[img]http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r278…]

Do these help??

Danni Thu, 08/19/2010 - 21:16

[quote="rabbitsfizz"]I am not sure Minky is Dun, has he sired Duns from non Dun mares?
The gelding doesn't look as if he is Dun, so we are no further forward.[/quote]

The gelding Ty, looks to be an obvious dun. He's not related though so doesn't help LOL!
I agree Minky doesn't look dun, silver/cream?

rabbitsfizz Fri, 08/20/2010 - 02:58

I was not looking at that gelding, I got confuzzled!
The gelding is a Black Dun Pinto, no doubt.
Inky is a Silver Black and yes, the colour changes, in an entire, are normal. Cody did all that, remember he is clipped in a couple of the pictures.
I am still not absolutely certain as to Minky's (sire) colour. He is Silver Black base, he does look to have a dorsal but a lot of Silver Black's do have.
Del's Cowboy was a Palomino [i]base[/i] he also had Dun, so although he is a visual Palomino he is genetically a Dunalino.
I love your hair, I used to have mine like that.....change your name to Sally, it's much nicer than Stinky !!

stinkbomb Fri, 08/20/2010 - 03:07

[quote="rabbitsfizz"]Del's Cowboy was a Palomino [i]base[/i] he also had Dun, so although he is a visual Palomino he is genetically a Dunalino.
I love your hair, I used to have mine like that.....change your name to Sally, it's much nicer than Stinky !![/quote]

wow i didnt know that!!

My hair changes colour more than Inkys does!!!

Should i have him tested for the cream then just to be sure? Could he also carry Dun then?? Sorry im confused.. easily done!! :lol: :roll: :lol: