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Daylene Alford
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Quote:Yeah I knew that, the
Yeah I knew that, the Rat Terrier got there black and tan color from the Manchester Terrier, one of the original dogs they were bred from. What I was wondering is if the Sable was Agouti? I think it is.
This question? There are 4 known agouti alleles in dogs and more may be discovered. They are in order of domiance ay, aw, at, and a. Like horses if a dog is ee agouti won't express but its more complicated than in horses because there are 3 extension alleles in dogs that allow the expression of agouti and there is also dominant black. ay is fawn and sable, aw is wild type and causes a "wolf" type coat, at is black and tan and a is ressesive black. Hope that helped a bit.
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Here is some more.....

Here is some more of our new boy, I can't believe I almost sold him *faints*

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It looks like your boy would
It looks like your boy would be atat because he displays the black and tan phenotype diluted at the D locus. Rat Terriers don't have recessive black do they?
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Ummmmm I'm still trying to

Ummmmm I'm still trying to understand it all myself, I know they have recessive black/tan this website explains it all and then some.
http://www.1st-writer.com/ColorGenetics/...
My sable/tan/white female always has black/tan/white puppies even thought the sire is choc/tan/white. I don't think brown or choc can produce black but sable can.

Yes my boy is black/tan/white with D diluted.

and there is more about it in the lesson #3 page.
http://www.1st-writer.com/ColorGenetics/...

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a/y is red/sablea/t is black

a/y is red/sable
a/t is black tan or bi-colored
a/w is similar to a/t but more diluted across body as seen in hounds more often

a/y can carry a recessive a/t but a/t is always a/t a/t or it "twin" a/w

B is solid black but b the liver dilution represented as bb , Bb is non liver carrying liver color and BB is non carrier for liver

E is many different things, black masking, brindle and something else that slips my mind...

T is ticking

S is white patterning, s/p s/i s/w , s/w is the most extreme white pattern i believe , id have to pull out my books , been a long time since ive visited this in my mind lol

M are the mereles and C is the chinchillia? isabella? I think dont quote me... I have a great book called Genetics of the dog and another by shelia atter and dr padgett when I use to read alot about dog genetics.

There are 2 forms of black in dogs and there is where i stopped following geentics ...

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rodeoratdogs wrote:Ummmmm I'm

Ummmmm I'm still trying to understand it all myself, I know they have recessive black/tan this website explains it all and then some.
http://www.1st-writer.com/ColorGenetics/...
My sable/tan/white female always has black/tan/white puppies even thought the sire is choc/tan/white. I don't think brown or choc can produce black but sable can.

your female is then a/y a/t , she could only have liver pups if she was Bb, but she must be BB, all the pups from her and the sire however are Bb since he gave them one dose of liver.

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rodeoratdogs wrote:Ummmmm I'm

Ummmmm I'm still trying to understand it all myself, I know they have recessive black/tan this website explains it all and then some.
http://www.1st-writer.com/ColorGenetics/...
My sable/tan/white female always has black/tan/white puppies even thought the sire is choc/tan/white. I don't think brown or choc can produce black but sable can.

Yes my boy is black/tan/white with D diluted.

and there is more about it in the lesson #3 page.
http://www.1st-writer.com/ColorGenetics/...

Woops this site says big D is full expression no dilution and the d is diluted so my puppy would be black/white/tan little dd right?

http://www.1st-writer.com/ColorGenetics/...

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This site has been around for

This site has been around for ever! its pretty simple spelled out

http://bowlingsite.mcf.com/genetics/colo...

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Here's my neighbor's

Here's my neighbor's dogs:
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Izzie and Teddy

This is a mutt that showed up at my friend's barn:
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Brooks the GSP and Beaux the BC
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Brooks:
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(Brooks has beautiful light eyes)

Beaux:
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(he has VERY dark eyes)

Abbie (mom) and Beaux (son):
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Abbie about to launch:
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Abbie's eyes are "normal"
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Brooks is a German shorthair

Brooks is a German shorthair pointer right? I like those dogs.

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Yup! He's super awesome! He's

Yup! He's super awesome! He's got super awesome bloodlines, too, but he's a tad gunshy and not as focused as he should be haha

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This is a black standard

This is a black standard poodle, name of Oh! Suzannah. Feel free to use her wherever.

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Happy endings.....

I started my crusade against docking (cropping has been illegal here for 60 years+ ) single handed and basically, about 55 years ago!
The journey of a thousand miles starts with a single footstep.
I would not have a Dobe that was docked, that was the end of it.
Now, I admit it is more than a dislike- I was traumatised as a nine year old (if you have never watched a six week old pup docked with a hunting knife, believe me, you have missed nothing) so it has become an obsession. The latest scientific research indicates that, far from not feeling pain, neonates actually feel pain more acutely, but lack the ability to express it understandably. Can you imagine what those helpless puppies go through, unable to rationalise or express pain, whilst breeders happily say they do not feel it?
If you truly care about your dogs you would not condone this outdated and barbaric practice. I am not certain about the actual amount of pain a puppy being docked feels, I just know that I do not feel that subjecting an animal to any unnecessary pain is acceptable.
As to cropping- it is beyond me how anyone can bear to even look at it, let alone do it.
If you want a short tailed, prick eared dog- BREED ONE.
Which is why I call it "topiary"
You simply do not cut bits off a dog for absolutely NO reason at all because you prefer it that way.
It was hard, when I started, finding a breeder of good dogs that would leave the tail on, but I found one. Then another, now there are many.
It was strange, when I first started showing my dogs (we, unlike your clubs in the "land of the free" have never been prevented from showing undocked dogs of any breed) to be the only one in the ring with a natural tail. Then slowly, others came along. Then I even got a few wins!
Now docking is banned and the breed clubs say the number of dogs being registered has dropped. This is a bad thing how???

OK, this has been a public service broadcast on behalf of the Anti Docking Association, I thank you for listening!

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I must say that (having met

I must say that (having met him twice) Brooks is the coolest dog EVAH!!

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that is why my Australian

that is why my Australian Shepherd still has her "butt banner". She was born with it, why remove it?

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Hehe, thanks Audrey!! I love

Hehe, thanks Audrey!! I love him SO much! I think the only reason I don't think he looks retarded is because when his tail was cut they left it long. It's desirable to have a white tip, so they wanted to make sure he got that. I don't understand why they would cut in the first place, but oh well. I mean, I loved watching my english setters point with their beautiful tails! Now dogs are getting trained to point with their tails vertical, which makes it easier to see, but I still love that old school pointer look...
I want a corgi one day but I hate no tailed butt wigglers.... I don't know if they are born that way or docked or what though...

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Recessive black looks exactly

Recessive black looks exactly the same as dominant black in Belgian Sheepdogs, though the only recessive that I know of that I have met had very dark eyes (but some Dominants do too!)

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rabbitsfizz wrote:I started

I started my crusade against docking (cropping has been illegal here for 60 years+ ) single handed and basically, about 55 years ago!
The journey of a thousand miles starts with a single footstep.
I would not have a Dobe that was docked, that was the end of it.
Now, I admit it is more than a dislike- I was traumatised as a nine year old (if you have never watched a six week old pup docked with a hunting knife, believe me, you have missed nothing) so it has become an obsession. The latest scientific research indicates that, far from not feeling pain, neonates actually feel pain more acutely, but lack the ability to express it understandably. Can you imagine what those helpless puppies go through, unable to rationalise or express pain, whilst breeders happily say they do not feel it?
If you truly care about your dogs you would not condone this outdated and barbaric practice. I am not certain about the actual amount of pain a puppy being docked feels, I just know that I do not feel that subjecting an animal to any unnecessary pain is acceptable.
As to cropping- it is beyond me how anyone can bear to even look at it, let alone do it.
If you want a short tailed, prick eared dog- BREED ONE.
Which is why I call it "topiary"
You simply do not cut bits off a dog for absolutely NO reason at all because you prefer it that way.
It was hard, when I started, finding a breeder of good dogs that would leave the tail on, but I found one. Then another, now there are many.
It was strange, when I first started showing my dogs (we, unlike your clubs in the "land of the free" have never been prevented from showing undocked dogs of any breed) to be the only one in the ring with a natural tail. Then slowly, others came along. Then I even got a few wins!
Now docking is banned and the breed clubs say the number of dogs being registered has dropped. This is a bad thing how???

OK, this has been a public service broadcast on behalf of the Anti Docking Association, I thank you for listening!

RF, I don't disagree with you. It IS disgusting. If I were planning on buying another dog, I'd do it differently.

From now on I intend to rescue and ears or lack thereof have no bearing on my choosing a dog. I just happen to have earless dogs right now. I wouldn't give my baby boy up for the world, I'll dispose of a lot of things to make a statement but he's not one of them :)

Of course, now that I'm dealing with a conformationally faulty dog that I love dearly... having a dog of my breed of choice that is healthy comes foremost. I hate that my options are chopped up, or questionable quality :( It's disgusting that those are the choices here.

Unfortunately, as long as the big show people, and the regular owners see no issue with it, us rescue people are pretty much stuck with just trying to keep the dogs we have safe.

I'll never be without a doberman. They are IMO the most wonderful breed on the face of the Earth and have no interest in having anything else. Unfortunately, I'm a selfish person who will take them as they come.

Love me, Love my pets!

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