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What color is my filly? I say GRAY!!! (pic heavy)

[color=#8000BF][b]I say she's gray...took me awhile but I finally got AQHA to agree plus they had to do a color change on the sire as well. Sire is a grullo/gray/roan....as he's produced grullos, roans (out of non roan mares), bay, brown, chestnut gone gray & bays gone gray. Dam is a bay. Dam: [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/Hi…] Sire: [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/La…] [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/Hi…] Taken in '07 [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/Hi…] Taken last summer (right after a bath...thats why so shiny) [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/Hi…] [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/Hi…] [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/Hi…] [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/Hi…] Birth [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/La…] [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/La…] Around a month old [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/La…] 2 months old [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/La…] Changing colors: [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/La…] [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/La…] [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/La…] [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/La…] 3 1/2 months [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/La…] 4 1/2 months (you can see her grullo brother & sister) [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/La…] [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/La…] When she arrived home in TX (September '08) [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/La…] [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/La…] November '08 [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/La…] Her color is strange here as she was kept blanketed so thats why her neck is darker [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/La…] [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/La…] [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/La…] December '08 [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/La…] Her wanna be sock...again!! lol [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/La…] And most recent is her birthday pics March 12th. [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/La…] [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/La…] [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/La…] Her full '07 brother (born same color as Lacey) [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/Hi…] [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/Hi…] [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/Hi…] Her front legs are still pretty black but have gray flecks in them. Now her back legs are really goin gray. Her head has tons of gray...she gets grayer all the time...gettin real gray around the eyes. No lets hear those opinions. lol[/b][/color]

PamelaTX Fri, 03/20/2009 - 16:50

[quote="Krickette"]i think it's really odd that both brother and sister have the roaned out facial markings. I don't see that often. Maybe it's my monitor?
you can really see it in these:
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb25…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
^star^
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb25…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
^star and strip^[/quote]

[color=#8000BF][b]I'm sorry there is NO WAY she is roan...I totally don't buy it at all.
Plus those aren't roaned out. She was born with that small star & her brother wasn't born with any facial white at all.
Plus roan doesn't effect the face...all that is gray!![/b][/color]

PamelaTX Fri, 03/20/2009 - 16:55

[color=#8000BF][b]The sire was born grullo. As you can see in the pics he's grayed out over the years.
Doesn't exhibit roan, but could be hidden by the gray as he's sired roan foals out of non roan mares.
Only 4 roans total, that I know of.
No one ever said anything about him being gray, they always called it "silver."[/b][/color]

Krickette Fri, 03/20/2009 - 18:09

[quote="PamelaTX"][quote="Krickette"]i think it's really odd that both brother and sister have the roaned out facial markings. I don't see that often. Maybe it's my monitor?
you can really see it in these:
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb25…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
^star^
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb25…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
^star and strip^[/quote]

[color=#8000BF][b]I'm sorry there is NO WAY she is roan...I totally don't buy it at all.
Plus those aren't roaned out. She was born with that small star & her brother wasn't born with any facial white at all.
Plus roan doesn't effect the face...all that is gray!![/b][/color][/quote]

I never said she was roan, I said she had a roany looking marking. I wasn't referring to the color "roan" I meant that the pattern had roaned, like her roany sock. I've never seen grey put dark hairs in a white marking, so it's not grey. It reminds me of the markings on a chestnut mare that we posted about a while back, but I don't know if it was on this board, the old one, or the other one.....
*eta*
yeah, it was on the old one....
anyone remember that horse's name??

PamelaTX Fri, 03/20/2009 - 18:41

[color=#8000BF][b]To be honest I don't think its an actual star...as there is no pink skin...just some white/gray hairs.
So I wouldn't call it that. IMO she has no white markings at all.
Its just the gray taking over her face color....IMO!!

Sorry didn't mean to sound harsh.[/b][/color]

RiddleMeThis Fri, 03/20/2009 - 21:14

[quote="PamelaTX"]
Plus roan doesn't effect the face...all that is gray!![/b][/color][/quote]
Negative for gray (was tested)
[img]http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii17…]
[img]http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii17…]
[img]http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii17…]

Sires ped. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/wampus+…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Dams ped. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/hta+ms+…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Fledgesflight Sat, 03/21/2009 - 05:11

[quote="PamelaTX"][color=#8000BF][b]To be honest I don't think its an actual star...as there is no pink skin...just some white/gray hairs.
So I wouldn't call it that.[/quote]

Our Arabian horse registry records faint markings (no underlying pink skin).

Krickette Mon, 03/23/2009 - 08:46

[quote="Fledgesflight"][quote="PamelaTX"][color=#8000BF][b]To be honest I don't think its an actual star...as there is no pink skin...just some white/gray hairs.
So I wouldn't call it that.[/quote]

Our Arabian horse registry records faint markings (no underlying pink skin).[/quote]
I want to say TBs do too, or at least, I found some paperwork from when my granny owned some racehorses, and remember them being super detailed, down to the whirls in the hair.

Fledgesflight Tue, 03/24/2009 - 05:47

[quote="Krickette"]
I want to say TBs do too, or at least, I found some paperwork from when my granny owned some racehorses, and remember them being super detailed, down to the whirls in the hair.[/quote]

Yep, the Arabian Registry records swirl patterns, where they're placed and the direction in which they swirl too.

NZ Appaloosas Wed, 03/25/2009 - 19:48

Hmmm, doesn't answer my question! :laugh1 Remember, I've seen a blanket-patterned foal pop out of a 'pure' APHA breeding program. Do a progeny search on allbreeds of Cooterville Norrel's Little Red (might be two "L"s in Norrel, I can never remember how to spell it). You'll find he has progeny in all three stock breeds, but searching AQHA and/or APHA won't show you any, as he had a different name while breeding AQHA and APHA mares. :rofl

Diane

PamelaTX Fri, 03/27/2009 - 20:05

[quote="Jenks"]The look she had in Dec 08 - more roaned out- compared to now seems to perhaps indicate roan as well. But then grey on top yes. She's really cute and the color of the sire and the brother too is striking.[/quote]

[color=#8000BF][b]That was because she was blanketed.
I still have a hard time buying roan as everything I see says gray from birth till now.[/b][/color]

PamelaTX Sat, 03/28/2009 - 00:09

[quote="Andrea"]I am curious why you think she can't be both?
Do you not like the idea she could be roan?[/quote]

[color=#8000BF][b]Its possible, but nothin "I see" says roan. Even when she started her color change...gray is the only thing I thought & saw.
Honestly I never wanted a roan...not a huge fan. Although I've seen some beautiful ones.
Just not my thing...just a preference.[/b][/color]