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smith16d
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Supposedly grulla appaloosa....?

Hi all,

I recently purchased this cute little gelding, and my friends and I are at a loss for what color he is supposed to be.  He is registered, and I have his papers; he is called a "grulla appaloosa overo". 

I can see the snowflake appaloosa and the overo patterning.  However, we aren't sure we would call him grulla.  Now I know grulla comes in several shades, but I believe they are mostly shades of gray/black? (Politely correct me if I'm wrong :) )   If you look at his individual darker hairs, they are actually reddish gray. He does have a bit of a dorsal stripe (unless it's really good countershading), which you can see in his summer and winter coats (one photo in the snow, then two rump photos).  The edges of the stripe are not sharply defined, but it does run from mane to tail and into the top part of his tail.

Also his lower legs are reddish-brown, which again, throws us off the grulla argument.  And he doesn't really have any other primitive markings like leg or shoulder barring for a shade of dun, unless you count a tri-colored mane (black, white, and "tan").  We are wondering if he isn't just a weird looking roan paint of sorts.

The last two photos are his sire (black snowflake appaloosa), and his dam (chestnut).  Both sides have a lot of grullas and roans.

So what color would you call him?  :)

Thanks!!!

Daylene Alford
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He's a flashy boy isn't he?  

He's a flashy boy isn't he?  

Your arguments for his not being a grulla are spot-on. 

I think he's probably a chestnut with countershading.  He could be dun as his dam was dun I just don't see it.    

The reasons I think this (all reasons you mentioned) are the overall body shade, the lighter coloring on the pasterns, and the lack of an well defined dorsal.    LP has been known to mess with base colors however, and can sometimes fool you, however, I don't think that is the case though with this particular horse.  

You sound pretty knowledgeable, but if you want to test and need help figuring stuff out let me know.  

smith16d
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Thanks :)

Thanks :)

He is unique looking, that's for sure. I don't necessary need to know his true color, but it really does baffle us. Maybe someday when I have money to spend on a color test, and I finally tire of guessing. Till then, he will be a great conversation starter at the shows and trails. :D

smith16d
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Close up photos

Snapped a couple close-ups of his coat yesterday.

His darker hair is actually not as red as I thought. First is a body section, second is on his cheek. And finally a better overhead shot of his weird dorsal stripe/countershding.

Still not sure, haha. If he were a shade of dun, would his dorsal stripe get smudged by LP?

Thanks!

Daylene Alford
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No, LP won't smudge a dorsal.

No, LP won't smudge a dorsal.  You will get white hairs from LP in the dorsal but the edges should still be sharp.  It would look a bit like a dun who also has classic roan.  

Here is a dun roan foal I had a few years ago.  You can see the white hairs mixed with the dorsal but the dorsal itself is still crisp. 

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