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Gypsy vanner colt

Hi everyone! 

First, I have to apologize myself - I'm here new, and come from Czech Republic, so sorry for my english :)

I need a little help about my friend's foal. It's little colt, almost 4-month old, Gypsy horse (Irish tinker/cob). Both his parents are black tobiano with roan gene, sire has maybe something for chestnut (not sure - we haven't tested him yet). Colt has very amazing colour - newborn he looked like a silver, now he's black with white/beige mane and tail. I'm pretty sure he's sabino too. 

But... is it even possible, he's silver? Or he is "chocolate palomino" - liver chestnut with flaxen gene (if yes, what will he "transmit" to his children - will he be coloure-interesting for breeding)? 

Or am I just wondering and he's going to be only black? 

Thanks all for every help. 

 

Photos are order chronically. Last photo sire. 

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In order to be silver one of

In order to be silver one of the parents would have to be silver.  It maybe possible since the dam looks to have an all white mane and tail, that she has silver, but she is really really black on the body for a silver.  It could happen, but it is unlikely.   Does she have silver in her pedigree?  

 

The type of white pattern that he foal shows on his hind legs has been known to lighten the base color.   That is probably what is happening.  

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Well, we're not sure if the

Well, we're not sure if the dam is silver. We haven't tested her, and unfortunately there is no chance to find out her pedigree. She gave birth three foals - the first black, the second tobiano, and the third is this colt. About her colour - she has a little bit of black hair in mane, same in tail (photos down). 

 

So, can we say that sabino gene influences colour of whole body? And why does he have white tail and mane? I've never seen sabino with light mane/tail. I thought sabino gene makes only white patterns od legs and body. Or is he not sabino? 

 

Thank you very much for your time and advices. 

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I really don't think the dam

I really don't think the dam is silver.  Especially with the new photos.  

I have seen examples of sabino (AKA miscellaneous KIT gene mutations) influencing the body color.  IMAGE(http://colorgenetics.info/sites/default/files/styles/collageformatter/public/collageformatter/500x652_symlink_268655_218711768167963_189221784450295_617344_2652058_n_0.jpg?itok=AXVGcJGm)

It seem to happen more often on red bases though.

It's also possible that the colt's mane and tail will darken as he ages.  Right now he still has his baby fuzz.  It looks like his mane might already darkening.   

Looking back over everything and the pictures I bet he ends up being black.   

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