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What should be tested?
If anyone remembers Coco, I plan on getting her tested but I am just not sure what needs to be tested. For anyone that hasnt seen her IMAGE(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c143/Sn0wLe0pard/Animals/Mini%20Horses/th_MagicBaby3.jpg)IMAGE(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c143/Sn0wLe0pard/Animals/Mini%20Horses/th_MagicBaby4.jpg) IMAGE(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c143/Sn0wLe0pard/Animals/Mini%20Horses/th_Coco.jpg)IMAGE(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c143/Sn0wLe0pard/Animals/Mini%20Horses/th_Picture149.jpg) IMAGE(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c143/Sn0wLe0pard/Animals/Mini%20Horses/th_Picture580.jpg) Oh I forgot to mention her father is a varnish roan black silver appy
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Re: What should be tested?

Oh man - everything! Extension, agouti, silver, LWO at the least. I would throw cream as well, dun in for kicks, and SB-1 if you're feeling generous about the whole thing. I suppose champagne, tobiano and pearl are superfluous...

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would that 40$ all in one test be the way to go? money wise at least, I dont really care if it takes a while

Also any ideas on what color she really is? Before it was suggested smokey black and a few other things I cant remember. I think she could be a silver, but I'm not sure.

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Re: What should be tested?

Smokey black IMO. Classic of smokey black mini. Though I agree I would test for everything. The Veri-SNP is a *great* test for something like this, save for the 3.5 month wait.

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Re: What should be tested?

If she is a smokey black I would have to get her parents tested too, or at least one of them, to see which side she got it from.

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Mom immediately looks suspicious. Mom also looks like she might be silver (possibly in addition). What's dad?

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Mom is registered black and white, I always thought she was a fading black. I honestly cannot remember what her or Cocos father's parents looked like.
Her father is a black silver with the varnish appy I think.

This was the first foal her parents have had, was an accident, which are always the best!

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Re: What should be tested?

I think sire is black silver (with appy messing with the base appearance). I think dam is your culprit. In the driving photo her flank looks very gold which would indicate cream.

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Eek sorry, I didn'trealize the pictures were super tiny.
It would be awesome if she was a cream, then I could find a cream stallion to breed to and possibly get a double dilute...always wanted a nearly white horse with blue eyes.

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Re: What should be tested?

I don't think the mare is Silver or Cream but it would be worth testing, if the testing is part of the fee.
I do not think the filly is Silver either, although the sire obviously is.

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If the filly is cream, you think it came from the sire?

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If Coco is cream, it could be from either parent as I cannot remember her grandparents colors at all. I dont know if this helps any but here is the oldest picture of Leo (her sire) I can find. He was probably around 3ish. This was before he started varnishing.
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I know this thread is really

I know this thread is really old but I should be good to send off some hair next paycheck to get Coco color tested. I'm sending it to UC Davis to have red factor, agouti, cream, silver and tobiano tested, and its only gonna cost me 115$!
Now that they are going into winter coats, her dam is very black while Coco stays very dark brown with lighter fading.
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YAY! Can't wait for the

YAY! Can't wait for the results! :bounce Hoping for uber minimal tobiano because it would be awesome.

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I still just wish they had

I still just wish they had the Lp test out. I still wonder if she could varnish since her dad was so minimal for so many years.

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I've heard there's one lab

I've heard there's one lab doing the LP test. Animal Genetics?

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Not yet. There is or was a

I typed something different but just read from a post by CheyAut on the Appaloosa Project that Animal Genetics is going to have it available for 50$. Finally!

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Well..I ended up spending

Well..I ended up spending nearly my entire paycheck on a new desktop that was a black friday deal online ymwhisle but, I did get the hair and I think I can slowly pay on the bill on their website until I get it paid off then mail it in.

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mailed the hair on saturday,

mailed the hair on saturday, testing for extension,agouti, cream and silver; and im super excited for the results

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Hei CM horses
have you already tested your sweet donky for SW1?? does he have any mini or shetty in his pedigree? if not, the mutation would be even older.. :toast
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donkeys have their own genes

donkeys have their own genes for white patterns so any horse tests would not work properly, but i know my donkey has spotting and seems to have no other patterns; i dont really understand what you are asking about this mini mare, but she is from two registered AMHR minis (well one never got reg and the dam went over height limit, but point being they are purebred)

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they recieved my mail so

they recieved my mail so results in 5-10 days!

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here's a pic from today

here's a pic from today
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Results are in! she is EE

Results are in!
she is EE and negative for silver and cream and agouti, so if I had to guess I would say she might have Lp causing her to be so chocolate

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You did not test her for Dun,

You did not test her for Dun, did you?
Other than that she just looks like a normal fading Black to me, not particularly brown at all, sorry.

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i didnt test for dun as she

i didnt test for dun as she has no dun parents and no dun characteristics; but i thought if she was just faded that her spring shed and under her mane would be black like her dam and not chocolate, and i know blacks can fade even lighter than Coco, but i thought they kept black in areas void of sunlight

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Sent off for the Lp test,

Sent off for the Lp test, results in 3-10 days!

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Coco is N/N for Lp, so she

Coco is N/N for Lp, so she will not varnish and I have no real explanation for her color. On FB people were saying that she was "light black", I think its possible that this is a Tyrpt1 mutation like we see in dogs ,cats,cows,humans,rats,mice... and these "light black" horses are actually producing brown eumelanin. Others with these "light black" horses say that they also shed chocolate and are never true black and then fade out like a normal black would.

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 I think its possible that

 I think its possible that this is a Tyrpt1 mutation like we see in dogs ,cats,cows,humans,rats,mice... and these "light black" horses are actually producing brown eumelanin.

I suppose stranger things have happened but my gut feeling on this is no.  The main reason is that TYRP1 mutations tend to dilute skin and eyes as well as coat.  You can see this plainly 

 

but also "Brown" mutations tend to be much more noticeable.  Way before genetic testing breeders understood that brown or liver was seperate from black.  This isn't what we are seeing in horses and no inheritance pattern has been theorized. 

I would be very interested in seeing if she responded to copper supplements or paprika.  

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I know from what I was

I know from what I was reading about Trypt1, they had found a mutation in horses, and thought it could be possible as the cause for Seal brown, but after discovering it wasn't, dropped the study on it, so they don't know what the mutation actually does.
I was also interested in getting some kind of supplements to see if it had any affect.

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She honestly just looks faded

She honestly just looks faded black to me.

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