flaxen theories

What, the same Agouti that lightens the body of a black horse but does not touch it's points, that Agouti??

[quote="rabbitsfizz"]What, the same Agouti that lightens the body of a black horse but does not touch it's points, that Agouti??[/quote]

:laugh1 Aye.

LOL
V is slightly flaxen and has a black sire, could be sabino flaxen but I suspect not because she has a half sister out of same dam that went completely white mane, and another that is by sire and a different mare that did the same. I think it's just a recessive.

Agouti doesn't effect chestnut, straight from horsegen, though not a direct quote.

[quote="Morgan"]LOL
V is slightly flaxen and has a black sire, could be sabino flaxen but I suspect not because she has a half sister out of same dam that went completely white mane, and another that is by sire and a different mare that did the same. I think it's just a recessive.[/quote]

I need to go look at pictures of V to see. I never noticed any flaxen on her! :o Maybe a lighter lock, but I think I pencilled that up to sun bleach. :oops:

What are the breeds that sport a high occurence of flaxen?
Haflingers (of course) Belgians. Neither (?) available in anything but chestnut, so they cannot submit any agouti proof. I doubt there would be any reliable data available on their agouti status? (why test, after all...)
How about arabs though. I *think* there is a proportionally high number of flaxen chestnuts in the breed, and a known high occurence of Agouti vs black specimen. :?

She's in my avi <---
Not sunbleach, grew in like that.
sister by same dam
regular chestnut x chestnut (dunno flaxen or not, never saw him)
[img]http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87/Da…]
sister by same sire:
black x bay sabino
[img]http://www.gotpainthorses.com/Brenda/Sa…]

There is also a high proportion in shetlands too - but I have no idea !!! :?

I can't help as my flaxen is AA... :laugh1

I've heard that flaxen is recessive, that it's dominant, that it's tied to splash, that it's tied to pangare', that pangare' is tied to it, etc. For as many people as I've heard say the word "flaxen" I've heard as many theories. :laugh1

Agouti CAN not effect chestnut. However, there is no reason to believe that is the only way this could work. Flaxen could be very closely linked to agouti dominant (like tobiano and extension, only closer).

I think I will do some research...

[quote="accphotography"] Flaxen could be very closely linked to agouti dominant
[/quote]I thought of that but it wouldnt be realted to[i] homozygous [/i]agouti cause like above 2nd filly had a black parent, and I highly suspect my mare is aa (3 black foals in a row)

[quote="lipigirl"]There is also a high proportion in shetlands too - but I have no idea !!! :?[/quote]

And how is the % of black shetlands vs bay?

[quote="Morgan"]black x bay sabino
[img]http://www.gotpainthorses.com/Brenda/Sa…]

Mwah. So if the sire is really black forget about HMz. Leads to the question if there are known flaxens that are 'aa'? :?

Well I would say that any truly flaxen chestnut foal with a black parent would throw this theory out.

[quote="accphotography"]Well I would say that any truly flaxen chestnut foal with a black parent would throw this theory out.[/quote]Are you talking about the all flaxens are AA or are you talking about your theory from page ome?

Because if your talking about your theory, flaxen out of black doesn't disprove it. Because just like tobiano and extension it wouldn't ALWAYS be linked to A. It Could have a "switch" from A to a or even a to A.

this mini has black sire

[quote="RiddleMeThis"][quote="accphotography"]Well I would say that any truly flaxen chestnut foal with a black parent would throw this theory out.[/quote]Are you talking about the all flaxens are AA or are you talking about your theory from page ome?

Because if your talking about your theory, flaxen out of black doesn't disprove it. Because just like tobiano and extension it wouldn't ALWAYS be linked to A. It Could have a "switch" from A to a or even a to A.[/quote]

Both actually. The chances are so minimal of a crossover (especially when linked as closely as I was thinking they might be) that I wouldn't think much of it. Occam's Razor I guess. Especially if we were to see other horses fall into the same boat like the one Supaspot just posted.

I have a flaxen chestnut mare who is tested aa

Bingo. :bounce

[quote="CheyAut"]I have a flaxen chestnut mare who is tested aa[/quote]

Thank you! That settles that. :D

my friend has a really light flaxen & pangrae chestnut QH filly (looks pally with a white muzzle! or a halflinger).
both her sire and dam are straight red chestnuts, no flaxen or panagre at all.

Fillys name is PJ's Rosanas Morn
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Can it be resessive on a red base?

Flaxen is believed to be recessive, yes. However I thought pangare' was believed to be dominant... but that would imply it's not, unless one of the parents is very minimal.

Dekota- That's a good example of why I think it is.

I have some ongoing research in flaxen...the flaxen horses I have were all coat color tested and there are AA's, Aa's, and aa's in the bunch (and I have about 100). So no, I would not subscribe to this theory.

[i]*watches theory get shot in foot and hop away into the distance*[/i]

[quote="horsegen"]I have some ongoing research in flaxen...the flaxen horses I have were all coat color tested and there are AA's, Aa's, and aa's in the bunch (and I have about 100). So no, I would not subscribe to this theory.[/quote]

I've been wondering if that was still ongoing. I'm glad to hear it is. :bounce

Supa that horse isn't flaxen.......

[quote="rabbitsfizz"]Supa that horse isn't flaxen.......[/quote]

Then what is it?

I think Fizz is refering to the fact that Supa's mini looks suspiciously Silver Black to us !!

[quote]I've been wondering if that was still ongoing. I'm glad to hear it is.[/quote]

In a very low-key way. I'm due to finish my own research and Ph.D. in about a year, so that gets priority, and consequently most of my time! The flaxen stuff is still going on, just slowly, and probably someone will have to take it over from me next year.

[quote="lipigirl"]I think Fizz is refering to the fact that Supa's mini looks suspiciously Silver Black to us !![/quote]

You're talking about this horse???

[img]http://www.equine-color.info/phpBB3/dow…]

Yep - silver not flaxen IMHO.

Well we know the sire is black... let's find out what the dam is.

Personally I see nothing but chestnut. Nothing says black base to me whatsoever.