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Fjord colors? (and more)

loco4poco January 30, 2011 February 22, 2011

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Hello. :) For school we have to make a website, so I decided to make mine on horse genetics. I was going through some pictures I have that I think would be good, but I would love some help to determine what colors they are. This first horse is a Fjord, but his coloring really intrigued me. This is unfortunately the only picture I have. I went to the barn's website and it mentions a "white Fjord," but I'd love to know the proper term for this coloring. [img]http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp352/HorsesRAwesum/Other%20Stables/…] The next one I have here I think is a liver chestnut, but I would love clarification. [img]http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx84/BunchofBreyers/Hawaii%202010/DS…] Another one...I think this is brown? I'm not sure though. [img]http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp352/HorsesRAwesum/Pondalucea/DSC08…] Finally, this one has me a little baffled. It looks like two colors on one? What would you call it? [img]http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h372/TMWGraphics/Photography/DSC083…] Thanks! Sorry if these are really obvious.

Monsterpony Sun, 01/30/2011 - 20:30

Yay Fjords; I love the questions about them.
The Fjord registry only recognizes five colors: Brown dun (Brunblakk), Red dun (rodblakk), White dun (ulsblakk), Yellow (gul) and Grey (gra). They don't register Kvit. In reality, Fjords come in more colors, but are lumped together in those five categories.
Brown dun= bay dun
Red dun= red dun (chestnut dun)
White dun= buckskin dun/dunskin
Yellow= palomino dun/dunalino
Grey= grullo (black dun), smokey grullo (smokey black dun)
Kvit= cremello/perlino/smokey cream dun
Rarely, you can also get all those other colors minus the dun.
So, to make a long explanation short, the fjord you posted is called White dun or Ulsblakk by fjords which means it is a buckskin dun.

The second looks liver chestnut. The third looks brown and I think the fourth is also.

Monsterpony Thu, 02/03/2011 - 23:49

The race horse looks brown going grey, but not a lot to go by.
The one lying down I believe is liver chestnut, but could almost be bay.

As to the pinto one, I would recommend dropping the use of the words overo and tovero. They basically mean "any and/or white patterns not tobiano" (overo) or "tobiano plus any and/or all of the white patterns not tobiano" (tovero). Completely useless in describing white patterns as they could be splash white, frame, rabicano, sabino and/or dominant white. The horse in the picture is splash white and frame. Check out the gallery here on the website for examples of all the different white patterns so you can educate your eyes to be able to pick out the different white mutations a horse carries.

Edited to change my white pattern.

Monsterpony Fri, 02/04/2011 - 09:32

I am debating between tobiano and frame mimicking tobiano. The way the white moves up the hip really makes me think tobi.

Krickette Sat, 02/05/2011 - 19:29

Listing him as overo would be correct i suppose, but it's such an outdated term. I would call him what he is, frame and splash.
And the one you just posted is tobiano.

Monsterpony Sun, 02/06/2011 - 00:24

You would be much more correct in calling him splash white and frame, just like Krickette said. Calling him overo is using an outdated and nearly completely useless term. Just because APHA hasn't managed to catch up with the rest of the world in genetics doesn't mean that we have to sink to their level.

tjuri Sun, 02/13/2011 - 17:50

[quote="Monsterpony"]Just because APHA hasn't managed to catch up with the rest of the world in genetics doesn't mean that we have to sink to their level.[/quote]
:rofl ymwhisle

critterkeeper Sun, 02/13/2011 - 18:11

[quote="Monsterpony"]You would be much more correct in calling him splash white and frame, just like Krickette said. Calling him overo is using an outdated and nearly completely useless term. Just because APHA hasn't managed to catch up with the rest of the world in genetics doesn't mean that we have to sink to their level.[/quote]

My take on the whole APHA/AQHA issue =)) :

APHA/AQHA when asked to consider changing color terms: :-@ X( =; [-( %-(

Owners after dealing with APHA/AQHA (or most registries): :argue :hammer #-O :BH

Pacific Pintos Mon, 02/14/2011 - 10:08

My take on the whole APHA/AQHA issue =)) :

APHA/AQHA when asked to consider changing color terms: :-@ X( =; [-( %-(

Owners after dealing with APHA/AQHA (or most registries): :argue :hammer #-O :BH[/quote]

Thanks for including other registries in this. The miniature horse registries, which have the silver gene as a common color gene, have dragged their heels at including them as a registration color. It is so annoying!

Monsterpony Mon, 02/14/2011 - 14:54

In the British Miniature horse registry (if I recall correctly), they actually tried to take out silver as an option and just lump them into chestnut a few years ago. People who know nothing about genetics should not be in decision making positions.