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Dun question...
I have a question, will a bay dun get leg bars as it gets older if it doesn't have any noticeable now?? Same with the wither bars?? Jackie, has the dorsal, face masking & frosting (mane & tail), but don't see or notice any leg bars or wither bars. Or is it possible she won't have any?
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Can't say I've ever seen a black based dun not have leg bars.

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Well I can't see any.
I'll try & get some close up pics when it drys out some, but here is 1 that you can see her legs the best, but I just don't see them.
If anyone sees them can you point them out to me?
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I don't see them from that shot, nope. It's possible they may come in when she gets her full points.

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Re: Dun question...

Thats what I thought.

What do you mean "full" points??

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Have you noticed how the black on her legs doesn't come all the way up to the position it normally is on bays/bay duns? That's what I mean.

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Heres an example of the full points, even these are just barely
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Jackie should get the full points as she gets older, but they may never be really dark like this

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Re: Dun question...

Ok gotcha!! Thats what I thought you meant but wasn't positive.

Thanks!

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Or she may be a Wild Bay Dun...or she may just not get the leg bars or face mask, it is not a prerequisite of Dun, except in America, of course.
I have seen quite a few Duns that do not have much more than a darker head (like a Roan) and legs and a dorsal stripe.
I had not even given it a passing thought until a few years a go, on here, someone starting trying to lay down the law about what a Dun was or was not!!!
Rabbit is a proven Dun, yet he does not have a face mask, or leg barring.
I have only ever bred one Bay Dun out of him and I cannot remember if she had leg bars, sorry, but none of the myriad Black Duns have had.

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Re: Dun question...

I had a really nice red dun that only sported the dorsal stripe. The strip was about an inch wide and there was no doubt he was dun. But no bars or cape or mask.

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I find leg bars FAAAR less common on red duns.

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Re: Dun question...

Rabbit, she does have the face masking...just lacking the leg bars & wither bars.

Maybe they'll show up once she's completely shed out??

Who knows...guess just a wait & see.

I do appreciate y'alls responses!!

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Also how old is Jackie?

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Also how old is Jackie?

She turned a year old Saturday.

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She should get fuller points as she matures and possibly the legstriping.

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Well we'll see!! ;)

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is she a dunskin or a bay dun? she looks so cream, abnd very lovley to btw :love

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is she a dunskin or a bay dun? she looks so cream, abnd very lovley to btw :love


That is the question!! lol
Some seem to think bay dun & I've some then dunskin.
Her mother is a Palomino & dad is a grullo.
The only way to know for certain is to test, which I'll do as soon as I have the extra $$$.

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Just Bay Dun for me.

I do think that I can see something of an impression of stripes there on her front leg...?
I don't see any leg stripes-/barbs on the last horse pictured- though I've seen a few Bay Duns who didn't have real noticeable stripes (if at all) as say a Black Dun would usually have.

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And Cobwebbing, I forgot that!!!
I have never actually seen cobwebbing, except in a picture.......
It is interesting that Red Duns seem to not follow the trend, but does not explain the lack of leg bars, face mask or cobwebbing in my Black Duns (which is a supposedly primitive colour)
A few have actually had face masks, BTW, and I thinkI remember one had some barring on the leg, but not pronounced.

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Opps! wrong thread!

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Hi All -

Haven't been here in awhile. I wanted to add that we have alot of babies that have the dun gene - but are born either palomino or buckskin - sometimes you can see it - and sometimes it's so questionable until they shed out their yearling year. The only real way to know is to test - but it is expensive.

I just had my first double dilute foal - a colt - so in order to make sure I get his color right - I've sent off the hair for testing for dun zygosity, also for red. He has a hint of a dorsal but on dd's sometimes that's all you see. His sire only shows his in the summer.

The filly in this thread is one of those wait and see - but it's a pain to change colors with the AQHA, but can be done. She's a cute one.

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Hello Missmagus. We want new photos of your babies please!

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Hi -

We'll get photos soon - just can't seem to get things coordinated to do it. Alot of the babies are at another ranch - so it's finding the time, the right weather and all to go out and take photos.

I did get my double dilute colt though - YEAH!! He's a neat one.

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Congratulations!

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Don't forget that I can look at the hairs (microsope) and give you a "maybe" or "more than likely" until the DNA test comes. I can't wait for that!!!!!
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Ok...another question lol
Jackie is my 1st dun so I'm learnin as I go with her, but in "normal" (no cream) bay duns, do they shed this light or are they this light in these areas?? Or could this be cream?? I know...I'll have her tested, just waiting on the spare cash.

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Re: Dun question...

Looks normal bay dun to me.

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I agree. If the rest of her sheds out the same color as her :booty cheeks, I may reconsider.

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K...just wasn't sure. I figured she'd probably shed out darker not lighter, but if its normal.
So we'll wait & see.

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I agree. If the rest of her sheds out the same color as her :booty cheeks, I may reconsider.


Well ACC her chest is shedding that light & so far the insides of her legs too.
I wish her back & barrel would shed, as it looks like she may have dapples.
Her dam gave birth yesterday to a buckskin colt. I'm wonderin if she passes on cream to all her foals?

Ok just checked AQHA...

WATCH SONNYS BOY 4119849 Red Dun Gelding 03/19/2000
Sire- JO BAR BELLE 2080167

TRIOS KALUHA LILLY 4696180 Buckskin Mare 04/11/2005
Sire- SPEAKS SILVER BULLET 3704694

TRIOS MILK N COOKIES 4944638 Dun Mare 04/16/2007
Sire- SPEAKS SILVER BULLET 3704694

TRIOS ALL JACKED UP 5129783 Dun Mare 05/28/2008
Sire- SPEAKS SILVER BULLET 3704694

The 1st 2 by Bullet are cream, & I highly suspect Jackie & well the newest 1 just born is buckskin.
At this point I think I'll just have to test to be certain.

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