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Double dilute

Almost hard to believe this is a double dilute isn't it? He's also homozygous dun. [img]http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w65/accphotography/Misc/1859.jpg[/img]

accphotography Sat, 08/01/2009 - 04:14

Smokey cream dun actually, even more surprisingly. Two smokey grullo parents.

He is EE aa CRCR DD.

rabbitsfizz Sat, 08/01/2009 - 05:58

Not at all, I was just about to say he was Smoky Cream Dun, that makes perfect sense to me!!

Heidi Sat, 08/01/2009 - 10:00

I was a bit confused...because the colt closest to the photog absolutely looked DD to me and it made me wonder 'what' was [i]hard to believe[/i]...[i]unless you were talking about the darker dun[/i] behind the obvious DD [i]being DD[/i]...?
Did *that* confuse anybody? It's got [i]me[/i] shaking my head! :lol:

accphotography Sat, 08/01/2009 - 13:57

The front colt. :lol: I've just never seen one with such a dark mane, and I've not seen a smokey cream with points... but then again I'm not sure I've seen one with dun.

accphotography Sat, 08/01/2009 - 16:01

So I'm guessing he would have been the color of his legs all over (plus probably an even darker mane and tail maybe) without the dun? Wow he would have been dark... that would have been very cool. Although I love that he's homozygous dun. I really, really hope he turns out to be just STUNNING physically. He's very exciting.

dakotakdq Sat, 08/01/2009 - 18:20

oh what a beauty! I cant wait to see how he fills out! It would be so nice to have a horse that colour in Australia

Daylene Alford Sat, 08/01/2009 - 20:39

Is there more information about him? I'd love to see more pictures and see how he is bred.

accphotography Sat, 08/01/2009 - 20:48

Yup... I'll have to go find him again. I ran across him while looking for something else. Be back later.

accphotography Sat, 08/01/2009 - 21:06

DNA Poco Iridium: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/dna+poc…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[img]http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w65/…]

[img]http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w65/…]

Sire:
[img]http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w65/…]

Sire's sire:
[img]http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w65/…]

Dam:
[img]http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w65/…]

Dam's sire:
[img]http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w65/…]

Dam's dam:
[img]http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w65/…]

I know most of the horses up close in this colt's pedigree as I know most of their owners. Some of the other colts that have come from this same line are *really* impressing me.

This colt is a full to the smokey cream dun's dam. He is EE aa CRcr DD.

[img]http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w65/…]

[img]http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w65/…]

rabbitsfizz Sun, 08/02/2009 - 11:46

I think that we assumed that you did mean the first colt...and he does actually just look like a Smoky Cream Dun to me, I don't see anything unusual about him except that he appears to be a half way decent colt (hard to tell any more form that photo) with an unusual colour, which is unusual in itself, I suppose. Sadly :rofl

tjuri Sun, 08/02/2009 - 13:40

I was always told, a single cream allel does not show on black-based horses - except their eye-color is light-brown or amber - but all of the grullos/grullas posted on page 2 have a kind of tan in their coat, except the last colt... so what? :roll:
Does cream make a difference on black-based horses, does smoky grullos look different than grullos without cream? Is the light color of the last colt the result of cream too? :o :?:
Now you got me confused! :? :? :laugh1

CMhorses Sun, 08/02/2009 - 13:51

It may or may not show on black based horses. I've seen some regular smokey blacks that are very chocolaty and then some that look jet black,I think we even have one of each lol.

NZ Appaloosas Sun, 08/02/2009 - 20:07

To me, smokey blacks look "off", at least in photos, like someone took a black-n-white photo and shopped it onto a colour photo.

Diane

CMhorses Sun, 08/02/2009 - 22:36

[quote="NZ Appaloosas"]To me, smokey blacks look "off", at least in photos, like someone took a black-n-white photo and shopped it onto a colour photo.

Diane[/quote]
Thats a good description. Even the blackest ones that I've seen do get rather light around the belly.

lipigirl Mon, 08/03/2009 - 03:09

[quote="PamelaTX"]:drool :drool :drool [b]I'm in love!!![/b] :love

[b]Here's another Smokey Cream Grullo [/b]
http://www.rockinrroans.com/Stallions/B…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;[/quote]

Wow he's striking ! It's those eyes they are like glass - not sure he is my cup of tea - but he IS very striking !!

tjuri Mon, 08/03/2009 - 04:14

[quote="CMhorses"][quote="NZ Appaloosas"]To me, smokey blacks look "off", at least in photos, like someone took a black-n-white photo and shopped it onto a colour photo.

Diane[/quote]
Thats a good description. Even the blackest ones that I've seen do get rather light around the belly.[/quote]

These descriptions above would come very near to what I have observed myself - but then they also fit to some degree to SEAL-BROWN... :twisted: :laugh1 :shock:

CMhorses Mon, 08/03/2009 - 11:40

I think the main difference between smokey and seal bay is the nose is not light in a smokey.

accphotography Mon, 08/03/2009 - 14:39

Yup, I find that true for the most part.

For me I don't often find it difficult to tell between a smokey black and a black, however there are some that no one could possibly tell (they are truly jet black). I find MOST of the time, smokey blacks are mistaken for chestnuts if they get mistaken for anything.

rabbitsfizz Mon, 08/03/2009 - 15:21

Songcatchers Smoky Black Pinto is jet, JET black, no "offness" about him at all.
He is JET black.
Sometimes you can tell by looking, often you cannot.....

NZ Appaloosas Tue, 08/04/2009 - 01:38

[quote="tjuri"][quote="CMhorses"][quote="NZ Appaloosas"]To me, smokey blacks look "off", at least in photos, like someone took a black-n-white photo and shopped it onto a colour photo.

Diane[/quote]
Thats a good description. Even the blackest ones that I've seen do get rather light around the belly.[/quote]

These descriptions above would come very near to what I have observed myself - but then they also fit to some degree to SEAL-BROWN... :twisted: :laugh1 :shock:[/quote]

No, seal browns have "caramel tones", in various parts of their body (i.e., the 'soft' bits) to my eye. The smokey blacks are the same shade of "black-n-white" photo black, kinda like a 'flatness' to the colour, similar that which the old 110 cameras used to have (just to date myself a bit more! LOL).

Diane

lipigirl Tue, 08/04/2009 - 07:37

[quote="tjuri"]So, would you agree that both of these horses are smoky black?
Horse#1:
http://s28.photobucket.com/albums/c227/…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://s28.photobucket.com/albums/c227/…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Horse’2:
http://s28.photobucket.com/albums/c227/…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;[/quote]

horse 1 could well be smokey black
horse 2 looks bay on my screen but I would be fascinated if he were a smokey black as it has definite points - could be a sooty buckskin !