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tjuri
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Distal spots and lacing
Would you say this horse is minimal tobi with his distal spots or could there be another white pattern responsible for it? I also noticed something like lacing on the belly - but only at second glance... :flower http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/cat/1103/display/19245243" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Distal spots and lacing

Could be- I've seen some Homozygous Tobiano's looking just like that.

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What's the breed? I do not think tobiano on this one. This happens on a lot of horses where tobiano is not involved, such as my warmblood. All 4 white feet and ermines. I'm pretty sure it's thought to be a trait of sabino, and some people even tend to theorize that the ermines are a sign of a suppression gene. Ask ACC about it!

However, it does crop up from time to time as a minimal tobiano. This one just looks a little too normal for me, though.

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I have bred 3 buckskin colts, all from diff and minimal purebred QH and they ALL have those black spots, what do they mean?

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Countercanter (at least I think it was her) came up with the "white suppressor" theory regarding relatively low whites with ermines- On what should otherwise be a more loudly coloured horse through breeding.

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I seriously doubt tobiano on that one. I think splash plus a suppressor.

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Re: Distal spots and lacing

Speaking of that theory...has anyone ever noticed ermine spots in a chestnut? Our socked standy is bay, and the other standy is also bay (without a lick of white anywhere on her).

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The breed: NRPS from the Netherlands: Warmblood.

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Oh yeah. They're just a lot less visible on chestnuts, especially the chestnuts with the paler legs. But clip em up and wet em down... hoo boy!! *said in her best Kentucky hick accent*

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Of course she's also got spots all over her face (related?) and is suspected to carry three patterns and yet is still fairly minimal. Her foal may tell us alot.

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Yup^ my Chestnut mares got em too. Hers can be seen when she's wet.

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my mare and foal both have them too, mare is chestnu,t foal is bucky

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Nike's a bay with nothing special going on and he has them. Don't remember if he has them on all 3 or not though.

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I know I've seen them on bays/blacks (heck, got one in the back paddock, our standy lawnmower)...it occurred to me, while reading the previous, that black seems to be a white-pattern suppressor and that I could not remember ever seeing ermine spots on a chestnut. Of course, not "doing" chestnuts might have something to do with that... :rofl

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I do believe black suppresses white... but I think that suppression is different from the one causing ermines and distals... JMO.

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There is actually a paper detailing that red exhibits more white than black.

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I think it even says that agouti carrying black bases show more white than their black counterparts as well.

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...with EE having even less than Ee

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Now THAT I missed. Wow... how odd.

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<p>A friend of mine has a

<p>A friend of mine has a tobiano mare named Ruby who has the distal/ermine spots, she's not minimal tobiano either.</p>

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Forgot to add

<p>Forgot to add that she is a dark chestnut</p>