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A puzzling Appy....
IMAGE(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c122/Snavarre/croppedtrot.jpg) This horse is not mine but I have permission to bring this here and ask..... No obvious Appy....Yes?? IMAGE(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c122/Snavarre/DSCF0953.jpg) This is his son o/o a (verified) non Appy mare. This is only one of, I think, three Appy foals that this stallion has sired. I checked the stallions ancestry and, I am afraid my AMHA studbook sub is out of date so I can't verify this at the mo, but I am pretty sure the nearest "Appy" is Orion, who was a Pintaloosa, varnish background (no, the Silver did not come form him :rofl ) which I am pretty sure was three generations back, and the sire is one of the Uno horses, Monarch, I think, so no Appy showing on him, either. The mares, in none of the foals cases, showed obvious Appy characteristics, and I think I checked them out at the time, too. So, is this one of those cases of Lp meeting PATN and a marriage made in heaven ensuing......?
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Re: A puzzling Appy....

In the top photo, is that a mottled muzzle or just a blurry pic?

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I am not sure, but I think it is just a bad photo as I have seen others, including close ups of the nose, and no characteristics, but I will ask for the most recent ones of his nose. Like from yesterday!

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looks mottled on my screen too

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RF could it be that the dapples are hiding snowflakes? :?: There wouldn't have to be many in on so minimally marked. Just a thought... :roll:

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So, is this one of those cases of Lp meeting PATN and a marriage made in heaven ensuing......?

Jane, are you sure you have the right location of that marriage? :rofl

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I have seen close ups of his colouring (and lost them in the dumping of my in box, sorry) there is absolutely NO snowflaking.
I'll get hold of her and ask her to either come here or send me UTD pictures...

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I'm not seeing appy? Discount hoof colour, 4 white socks. And the black spots are similar to Ben D'Or spots, IMO.

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I'm not seeing appy? e

I thought I was the only one :rofl

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So, you do not see the evenly placed black spots on both sides of the horses spine in the second picture??
If it were just the one horse I would probable;y think, maybe coincidence, but it is not.
Unfortunately we do not have permission to publish the other two foals that had Appy characteristics.

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I see the spots. Other than mismarks, what else could cause these? This is an honest question, not a rhetorical one.

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They could be Bendor spots, and they could be shedding spots like another posters horse
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To me they still look most like Appy spots, although very minimal. They have that smeared/stretched look that I've seen on Appys but not so much with Bend Or spots. That's my experience anyway.

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I tend to agree with you Sara. I also swear that looks like mottling. *sigh*

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It is a problem, what with the base colour being Silver Black with dapples, (I did actually ask if they could have been put on with a magic marker!) the sire is a minimal Black Pinto, who is, if I remember correctly, by Orion, so the Appy is not that far away, it would only have to have hidden for one, possibly two generations, which is possible (just not probable)
This person is 100% honest, no wool is being pulled, she is genuinely puzzled!

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I'm not seeing any other LP traits at all. Maybe it is the photos but there is nothing visible. Spots are the last thing I look at when searching for LP.

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Well, I would agree there are no other evident Appy characteristics.
But these spots have turned up on three separate foals, now, so they quite obviously are not Bend'or spots or anything like it.
Since we can have minimal characteristics in other ways, why not "just spots"???

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I absolutely agree RF ( :shock: ). Since Dian had/has a mare who's characteristics were only found with a speculum, I think it's perfectly reasonable to think that some might only show spots. if he's produced three spotted foals from three apparently non spotted dams, that's pretty clear evidence IMO.

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Well, I would agree there are no other evident Appy characteristics.
But these spots have turned up on three separate foals, now, so they quite obviously are not Bend'or spots or anything like it.
Since we can have minimal characteristics in other ways, why not "just spots"???

I absolutely agree RF ( ). Since Dian had/has a mare who's characteristics were only found with a speculum, I think it's perfectly reasonable to think that some might only show spots. if he's produced three spotted foals from three apparently non spotted dams, that's pretty clear evidence IMO.

I've seen many minimal traited LP horses. I've never seen any without white sclera or mottling somewhere. If this horse has white legs from another pattern, that eliminates LP striped feet. You won't see them. However, you should see white sclera & mottling if he carries LP. If he has no other traits but a few spots, that's not good enough for LP.

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So you're saying the mare with internal mottling is not LP then?

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Well, how do you explain three spotted foals then???
Accepting that LP is still theoretical, anyway.....
One foal, I would say was just a coincidence and it could just as easily have "hidden" in the mare, but three foals from mares that exhibit no Appy traits, (well, actually, neither does the sire :booty ) that is beyond coincidence.
I have no explanation other than the Appy must have come through the sire, and his must be "hiding" in the Silver somewhere.
Still have not found the original owner, I know she would come on here and post the other pictures....

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So you're saying the mare with internal mottling is not LP then?

If she also has other visible LP traits, then yes, she is LP.
I've had several LPs that had internal mottling only but had other LP traits showing....striped feet, sclera etc.
My gelding has a full blanket, white sclera but only has mottling on his genitals. He has tobi & splash so his white legs cover any LP striping or lightning marks he may have.

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So, you do not see the evenly placed black spots on both sides of the horses spine in the second picture??
If it were just the one horse I would probable;y think, maybe coincidence, but it is not.
Unfortunately we do not have permission to publish the other two foals that had Appy characteristics.

Well, how do you explain three spotted foals then???
Accepting that LP is still theoretical, anyway.....
One foal, I would say was just a coincidence and it could just as easily have "hidden" in the mare, but three foals from mares that exhibit no Appy traits, (well, actually, neither does the sire :booty ) that is beyond coincidence.
I have no explanation other than the Appy must have come through the sire, and his must be "hiding" in the Silver somewhere.
Still have not found the original owner, I know she would come on here and post the other pictures....

If we could see a closeup head shot, genital shot etc of all three foals it might be easier to see the "LP characteristics". I'm not convinced that the spots are caused by LP, by the photo that was posted. Spot alone do not guarantee LP.

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If she also has other visible LP traits, then yes, she is LP.
I've had several LPs that had internal mottling only but had other LP traits showing....striped feet, sclera etc.
My gelding has a full blanket, white sclera but only has mottling on his genitals. He has tobi & splash so his white legs cover any LP striping or lightning marks he may have.

Well I wish Dian would input on this as the mare had NO other characteristics, but passed LP to her foal(s).

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Point is, without tests, we can only really guess what Lp is.
It may well be an educated guess, but it is still a guess.
You cannot say for sure whether these markings, inherited without other characteristics, are or are not Appy.
The next generation will be the really interesting one, I think.

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If she also has other visible LP traits, then yes, she is LP.
I've had several LPs that had internal mottling only but had other LP traits showing....striped feet, sclera etc.
My gelding has a full blanket, white sclera but only has mottling on his genitals. He has tobi & splash so his white legs cover any LP striping or lightning marks he may have.

Well I wish Dian would input on this as the mare had NO other characteristics, but passed LP to her foal(s).

Would it be possible to see photos of this mare? I would also be interested in photos of the sire/sires of the foals.

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So... are there no photos available?

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He looks like he's snowflaking to me.
I once knew a mare that was about 12yrs, who's only characteristics were a minimal scattered blanket and white sclera. She didn't have mottling or striped feet (solid coloured legs no white infact the only white she had on her, was her scattered blanket).

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It's her (Diane's) "solid" Black mare I believe.

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I can't post photos as they belong to Dian. I'm not sure where Dian has run off to these days. I'm sure she'll chime in when she comes back.

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So, you do not see the evenly placed black spots on both sides of the horses spine in the second picture??
If it were just the one horse I would probable;y think, maybe coincidence, but it is not.
Unfortunately we do not have permission to publish the other two foals that had Appy characteristics.

Yes, I do see those, but that alone isn't enough to really make me say "appy". Of course, we ARE talking minis here, and they just luuuurrrrrvvvvve to break all the colour genetics rules :BH :BH :BH :BH :rofl

But seriously, going just by this horse, if he were a full-sized horse, I'd not be thinking "appy' at all, but more like corn spots or Ben D'or or something.

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