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*thud* *faints* Color people heads up...
Probably one of the coolest colors I've EVER seen! IMAGE(http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/fohlen/Daydream%20Believer/Nov19-05.jpg)
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flaxen liver chestnut with roan or is he going grey? the face is confusing me a bit.

I like those dark livers with the orangey looking flaxen manes/tails...didn't used to...but I've seen some real neat ones....a friend of mine used to own an ASB mare who was liver with the orangey flaxen mane and tail.

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That is cool. Same question, chestnut going grey? What a nice looking pony too.

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wow how unusual! I have seen the orangey mane, tail and legs before but not with the roaning/grey

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Wow he looks very different with his orange mane and tail. Will be interesting to find out if he is going grey

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Chestnut going Grey, has to be!!

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i'd say going grey for sure, but I've seen a couple of not going grey (impossible...no grey parents, and not appy), young true roan horses with roaning on the face (around eyes/muzzle). I think ACC might have shown me one of them, and someone elsewhere showed me another.

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Any white bits on my horses end up that colour (orange) if I don't regulary wash them!!!! So that grey looks like it could have come off my place :lol:

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Danni - you must be in Georgia? no? Same here! My greys are always Ga red clay color! If only they could get it uniformly spread.....

But the odder thing is that grey usually turns them dark first -including the mane - as on his lower legs. I wonder what could have stopped it? That why the flaxen guess?

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wow! that is cool!

Any white bits on my horses end up that colour (orange) if I don't regulary wash them!!!! So that grey looks like it could have come off my place :lol:

:lol: I finally got to see the Cloud documentary (don't ask, I live under a rock >.>) and really loved the part where she finds him "cheeto colored" :rofl

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He's NOT gray. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Lol @ danni... yep the clydesdales feathers go like that after being left in Nappy san for too long!....So what is the color acc? my uneducated guess is roan...

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Yup, yup. Flaxen liver chestnut roan... with a chance to be homozygous roan.

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Ok well that's pretty cool then, being a roan not grey!! Pity doesn't have the dark liver face though, I like contrasts! Why does it have the roany face? Because sabino is at work or roan often does that anyway?

Lol @ danni... yep the clydesdales feathers go like that after being left in Nappy san for too long!

Really?! Gosh I've often wondered if I should use something like nappy san to get the orange OUT of the feather, I certainly won't now LOL!! It will make them worse by the sounds of it!!

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wow (I'm getting better) and a nice pony!! Sara would like him too I reckon!

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I've been looking at the horse again, I like the colour better know I know it's not grey :oops: I especially like the orange on it's legs too, to match :D It's actually a very nice horse too!! Pretty with a nice bit of bone, just my style :D

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Roan does that sometimes.

Check this one out. He tested negative for gray (his sire was believed to be just gray, turned out to be hetero gray carrying roan):

IMAGE(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii17/lonesomedovepaints/Little%20Baby%20Pony/7160820.jpg)

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Roan does that sometimes.

Check this one out. He tested negative for gray (his sire was believed to be just gray, turned out to be hetero gray carrying roan):

IMAGE(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii17/lonesomedovepaints/Little%20Baby%20Pony/7160820.jpg)

WOW, that little fella looks like a pronghorn antelope.... :mrgreen:

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WOW, that little fella looks like a pronghorn antelope.... :mrgreen:

:rofl He does!!!! :D

Kind of cool though!

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yes you're right ! hes dead cute too :love

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awwwwwwwww!

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Interesting to see how the foal turns out, and my guess is, since there is not Grey in either of these atypical Roans, that it is Sabino at play.
Roan does not "do that sometimes"
In my whole life I have never seen Roan do that, and I don't think it is Roan doing it here, either, I think there is something else going on, and vote for Sabino.
Roans have solid heads and pints.
Something else, affecting the exhibition of Roan, can cause that to disappear, but Roan doesn't.

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Roan does that sometimes.

Check this one out. He tested negative for gray (his sire was believed to be just gray, turned out to be hetero gray carrying roan):

IMAGE(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii17/lonesomedovepaints/Little%20Baby%20Pony/7160820.jpg)

There's a test for grey now!? !!!! I haven't even been under my rock lately.....but I am getting old.

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Yes there's been a gray test for about a year.

I've seen it on countless roans these days. Check out the Brabants. Little to no sabino in them and most have lots of roaning on their faces and same down to their legs.

Roans only:

IMAGE(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w65/accphotography/Roxie.jpg)

IMAGE(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w65/accphotography/08foal_4.jpg)

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And here's one I shot who had roan all the way down his legs with a concentration at the hocks:

IMAGE(http://www.accphotography.com/gallery/download/22573-3/IMG_2947.jpg)

Possibly it doesn't happen in minis... but it darn sure seems to happen in big horses.

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It may surprise you to know that while I have bred horses all my life, I have only actually had Minis for just over thirty years......and a lot of that time I was still breeding Minis, so my experience of colour and pattern is mainly in big horses.
It is only the last twenty years (gosh, is it even that long?) that I have been confined to Minis.
And I still think there is something else going on in those e two horses :rofl

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"only had Minis 30 years". "ONLY" :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

I would say that maybe minis have a different mutation of roan than Quarter Horses... but I just looked and UC Davis has expanded their test to include both breeds, so I guess that's not right. They're not including Brabants though, how often have alot of roaning on their face.

No white on that bay roan btw.

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I'm really not sure about those to Acc, I reckon there must be something else going on??

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I agree with ACC because roan seems to do weird things sometimes. I had no idea it could turn a mane and tail silver, so why can't it get on the face and legs? A lot of the silvery-maned horses DID have white flecks on their faces, if not silvery faces as well. Maybe it has to be maximally expressed or homozygous or something. Granted, there could be something else, but I wouldn't turn my back on it.

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Roans only:

IMAGE(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w65/accphotography/Roxie.jpg)

IMAGE(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w65/accphotography/08foal_4.jpg)

The nearly even roaning on the body of these two horses points to classic plus additional sabino roan IMO...

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I've been casually looking into roan and I have found that I can pick out the QH roan (particularly Hancock lines) from others and that it tends to express further into the face and legs than European roans. Also, I have seen a lot of extremely minimal roan expression in QHs as well. It makes me wonder if, since roan is a KIT mutation and we all know how unstable KIT is, there are multiple classic roan like genes. It would explain how it seems to be lethal in some breeds and not in others.

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