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Talk to me about... Reverse Dapples... ***Photos added***

What do you know about them? Show me as many examples as you can find. :mrgreen: Thanks!

Dilutes Fri, 06/05/2009 - 05:59

All I can say is wow, what a great dilute colour combination! I really like his colour. Looks like he could be gold or silver coloured depending on the season, diet, clipping etc.

I'd love a 16hh version of that thanks!

accphotography Fri, 06/05/2009 - 18:27

Very cool example! Thank you!

Anyone else?

How often do you see them on colors besides champagnes? Are they common? I honestly don't think I've ever seen them in person so I guess they're probably not.

Paintlover Sat, 06/06/2009 - 15:16

I am pretty sure our one Belgian gelding had them but we don't own him anymore. :( He was a darker chestnut then most Belgians. I don't think I have any pictures that show them though. :( I could have been wrong as well but I remember thinking that they looked different then normal dapples and I had heard of reverse dapples. One of the example pictures of reverse dapples in my genetics book is of a Noriker. So maybe it is a draft horse thing too??????? Who knows.

accphotography Sun, 06/07/2009 - 11:43

Nope. Slick as can be. There doesn't appear to be any difference in the hair texture or length. I kept trying to brush them away thinking they were dirty spots. Nope. Every so often I'd think she'd gotten some water drops on her. Nope. They are definitely distinctly different colors of hair.

accphotography Sun, 06/07/2009 - 21:34

Tell me about it! :BH

To top it off, a member of another forum met her in person recently. She said she was the most dun looking "supposed non dun" she had ever seen and that is saying ALOT! She doesn't trust the dun test and Lacy furthers her opinion of that.

Reverse dapples are noted to happen on duns occasionally. I dunno. Very, very weird.

Morgan Mon, 06/08/2009 - 19:01

[quote="Fledgesflight"]Can you go and visit the farm from whence she came?[/quote]
:lol: sorry, just something about the way you wrote that, picturing Gandaf: "Go visit the farm from whence she came!" :laugh1

I agree that she's got something going on. That is NOT a normal sorrel.

Sara Tue, 06/09/2009 - 01:23

[quote="Morgan"][quote="Fledgesflight"]Can you go and visit the farm from whence she came?[/quote]
:lol: sorry, just something about the way you wrote that, picturing Gandaf: "Go visit the farm from whence she came!" :laugh1

[/quote]

The trouble comes when we have a vague idea that we should not end a sentence with a preposition (something up with which we shall not put!) and "from whence" seems to fit the bill. Actually the word whence will suffice all by itself. It's a very tricky word that means [i]where[/i] and [i]from[/i] all at once so you only need to say "Can you go and visit the farm whence she came?"

but then everyone will laugh because correct grammar has come to sound stuffy. ;)

NZ Appaloosas Tue, 06/09/2009 - 19:37

Not in my books! Ending a sentence in a preposition is a sign of devolution of language, since it's the way kids talk once they start learning grammer rules (funnily enough, in a family that speaks properly, kids follow the rules 'naturally', until they start getting formal education in grammer rules...) (talk about digressing! :laugh1 )

Diane

Sara Tue, 06/09/2009 - 20:14

Every adult generation has lamented the terrible grammar of "kids these days" -- and yet language evolution marches on. Do you really speak proper English? Think about it -- do you? If you do, you speak the way Beowulf was written and no one will understand you. If language didn't evolve, that's the way we would all speak. ;)

NZ Appaloosas Wed, 06/10/2009 - 00:48

[quote="Sara"]Every adult generation has lamented the terrible grammar of "kids these days" -- and yet language evolution marches on. Do you really speak proper English? Think about it -- do you? If you do, you speak the way Beowulf was written and no one will understand you. If language didn't evolve, that's the way we would all speak. ;)[/quote]

As a matter of fact... :laugh1 Have I mentioned I used to belong to SCA? As for me really speaking proper English--from kindergarden to Junior year, minus my sophomore year, I spent in Catholic education...believe me, I know what rulers can be used for, if one does not do as the good Sister requests! :laugh1 :laugh1 :angel

But yes, I still do consider what is going on with language today is really a devolution of English, what with chat/text speech, etc. I think we're heading more for "newspeak" than not.

Diane

NZ Appaloosas Wed, 06/10/2009 - 00:55

[quote="Monsterpony"]I thought the rule of ending a sentence with a preposition was not necessary in the English language, but rather something required in Latin because of the way prepositions are used.[/quote]

As the Romans never used punctuation, did they really have an end of a sentence??? :laugh1 :laugh1 :laugh1

Diane

Morgan Wed, 06/10/2009 - 01:14

[quote="NZ Appaloosas"]

As the Romans never used punctuation, did they really have an end of a sentence??? :laugh1 :laugh1 :laugh1

Diane[/quote]
Lol, they end sentences with the verb. Its kind of like reading a recipe, you get all the parts involved and only then can you find out what they are all doing. Like Yoda. :lol:

You know what's really scary about the new words? My mom knows and uses more of them than I do. :shock:

Sara Wed, 06/10/2009 - 01:52

[quote="NZ Appaloosas"][quote="Sara"]Every adult generation has lamented the terrible grammar of "kids these days" -- and yet language evolution marches on. Do you really speak proper English? Think about it -- do you? If you do, you speak the way Beowulf was written and no one will understand you. If language didn't evolve, that's the way we would all speak. ;)[/quote]

As a matter of fact... :laugh1 Have I mentioned I used to belong to SCA? As for me really speaking proper English--from kindergarden to Junior year, minus my sophomore year, I spent in Catholic education...

Diane[/quote]

So you've said, but proper English by whose definition? The generation or two immediately preceding yours, of course. The nuns would cluck to themselves over the improper usage by the younger generation (and enforce their lessons with rulers) but the language THEY spoke would have sounded horrific to English speakers of a couple hundred years ago.

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Most people who bother with the matter at all would admit that the English language is in a bad way.

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[English showed] how rapidly the language of a nation important both in history and literature can sink. [Language is likely to] sink into mono-syllabicity.

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The greatest improprieties... are to be found among people of fashion; many pronunciations, which thirty or forty years ago were confined to the vulgar, are gradually gaining ground; and if something [is] not done to stop this growing evil... English is likely to become a mere jargon... During the reign of Queen Anne [1702-14]... it is probable that English was... spoken in its highest state of perfection.

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I do here, in the Name of all the Learned and Polite Persons of the Nation, complain... that our Language is extremely imperfect; that its daily Improvements are by no means in proportion to its daily Corruptions.

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Credit for the preceding quotations? George Orwell, 1946. August Schleicher, 1848. Thomas Sheridan, 1780. Jonathan Swift, 1712 (incidentally during the reign of Queen Anne, which Thomas Sheridan thought to be the English language's highest state!)

So language evolves, or devolves, or erodes, whether you or I or anyone likes it. The only languages not evolving are the dead ones.

Ye knowe eek that in forme of speche is chaunge
With-inne a thousand yeer, and whordes tho
That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge
Us thinketh hem; and yet they spake hem so,
And spedde as wel in love as men now do.
(Geoffrey Chaucer, from [i]Troilus and Criseyde[/i])

rabbitsfizz Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:43

If you could hear the kind of "english" what is spoke by kids round here you too would join the lament!!!
A preposition is a word you should not end a sentence with.....thus spake the English teacher!!!

It is daft to say we should be speaking as Chaucer spoke, language, all language, evolves, but eroding rules of grammar is not evolving, it is devolving.
If you look at the differences between written American English and English (did you know that English books are "translated" for the American market?? But not vice versa??) yo can see a modern language that has evolved...it would be wrong to say either is correct or incorrect, American is a differnet language, as is Canadian and to a certain, but lesser extent, Australian.
Now, if you start looking at the the differences in [i]spoken[/i]American and spoken English, or even spoken American and written American....wow, it's far greater than Chaucerian English and modern English, just take a look at some Craigs list ads if you want a reference!
If you cannot not speak properly it is unlikely that you can write properly.
If you cannot write properly today, with almost everything being done on a computer, your prospects of getting any sort of decent job are virtually nil.

Sara Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:04

Wow. Did I say we should all speak like Chaucer? You missed the whole point. Language evolves, every generation has thought it was DEVOLVING, but we haven't sunk to communicating through grunts yet as critics have suggested for hundreds of years.

I despise chat speak, I punctuate my text messages and usually proofread them before hitting send, but I don't deny that I speak an evolved form of English that would be unintelligible to the original speakers of Anglo-Saxon.

By the way, I've been really nice and have not pointed out the spelling errors in this very thread. ;)

(Sorry for jacking your thread, acc!)

Morgan Fri, 06/12/2009 - 14:20

I usually [i]try[/i] to speak propperly but I confess that spelling and grammar were my worst subjects, despite all my effort. And I can't type at all! Recently I just decided it takes too long to edit everything I write on the internet and gave up. :oops: I do resort to chat speak...when chatting. Only because it's easier to type.

Aloud though I speak plain American with no regional accent but I've been told a bit too fast (I have to watch myself especially when speaking to non-native speakers or even some of the southern locals.) Habit developed as a child when I had a [i]lot [/i]to say and limited attention time from the adults. :lol: