Colour of Filly - thoughts

The stallion is not Tobiano, although he may well [i]have[/i] Tobiano- almost certainly does.
He has Splash which is where your very pretty filly's blue eyes have come from.
Tobiano does not allow face white, so any time you get a "tobiano" with face white you have another pattern present.
The jury is out on whether or not LWO (Frame) causes blue eyes, but we are pretty certain Splash does, so she has Splash, I would say she has Tobiano and she looks as if she has Sabino in there as well. I would not bother with the Sab1 test as it tells you very little, there is no test for Splash yet and we are pretty sure she has Tobiano- so I would definitely test her for LWO just to be on the safe side, but, apart from that you have a lovely animal, very original markings, enjoy!!

I'd say buckskin (either bay or brown base) with tobiano, splashed white, and maybe frame. I'd assume frame unless she tests negative.

They nailed it already, and definitely test the filly and I hope they have either that mare or stallion tested for LWO.

Agreed, buckskin with tobiano, splash and possibly frame/LWO. I could see frame/LWO being present in both sire and dam (dam more so) so I hope they at least one tested negative before they were bred.

Welcome, hope we answered your question...and don't be afraid to post all the pixs and questions you want (esp. the pixs as we are photog nuts :bounce )
:love Without the brown test, I'd just assume sooty buckskin (it is easier to explain to the lay person than "seal-" or "brown-buckskin"). If you want to do test I hope she comes out At for you :grin: . As to patterns, as the others have stated, this filly has hit on the "pattern bonanza". Congrats on a lovely lady. :toast

Thanks for reply
Happly critterkeeper I've confirmed she is actually Seal Brown (I LOVE Seal Browns so I'm chuffed :-bd ) with a copy of the creme gene (which is obvious lol).
I know she's Seal now as she has 2 1/2 brothers- one from sire side & one from dam side who are Seal Brown Pintos. She also has the classic paler flanks, muzzle & eye areas (+she has an impossibly dark chocolate brown spot on the top of her quarters)
Her Sire is colour tested Bay (carries Seal as well)TT
Her Dam is Bay (carries Seal also) Buckskin Tt
Neither has been tested for LWO, as the breeder didnt think either was Overo in pattern, I will be getting her test for it asap.
What makes you think is she Splash over Frame please?
I thought Splash leg markings tended to be more even than jagged????(Though I'd like her to be Splash over Frame lol).

I have HEAPS of photos as I've had many horses, but down to 2 atm- thinking of breeding my big girl (homebred 6yr old - maybe I should start a what will I get thread for her lol).

Heres more Pics of her Dam:

[quote=Monsterpony]Agreed, buckskin with tobiano, splash and possibly frame/LWO. I could see frame/LWO being present in both sire and dam (dam more so) so I hope they at least one tested negative before they were bred.[/quote]

Really???? What makes you say that?
I thought out of the 2 (Sire & dam) she looked more the one to be plain Tobiano :-?

[quote=Surayya]
Neither has been tested for LWO, as the breeder didnt think either was Overo in pattern, I will be getting her test for it asap.[/quote]

Yikes!!! This is very scary to me as frame is the best pattern at hiding. Everyone on this forum could pull up many, many pictures of horses that tested positive for frame, but have [i]no[/i] visual characteristics. Everything from a horse with no a single speck of white on it to tobianos, splashs, max white sabinos, greys, etc that hide the frame well. Calling a horse non-frame is only acceptable with proof of a DNA test. And definitely do not trust the breed registry and the horse's papers as proof. There isn't a breed out there that is reliable at all when it comes to color and pattern; APHA is one of the worst.

[quote]Really???? What makes you say that?
I thought out of the 2 (Sire & dam) she looked more the one to be plain Tobiano [/quote]
Both of them are tobiano with some heavy splash, which easily hides frame. Also, the patterns are a little patchy and pushed around. I am not saying that either are ones that I would be jumping up and down yelling "absolutely frame." I am just saying that you really can't rule it out (unless you have proof that all four grandparents tested as non-frame).

[quote]What makes you think is she Splash over Frame please?
I thought Splash leg markings tended to be more even than jagged????(Though I'd like her to be Splash over Frame lol).[/quote]

Her face is very splashy. Tobiano likes to keep the head solid while splash causes lopsided, bottom heavy face markings. Splash tried to take the whole of the left side of the face, but tobiano fought to keep the eye area solid as you can see with circle of color around the eye. Also splash is shrinking the tobiano's chest and flank shields.

Yes, definitely test, my mom has quite a few "tobiano" that are frame positive, one looking nearly identical to your babies sire, but with even less jaggedness and no blue eyes that is frame positive.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c143/…

I will be- weather is rubbish here atm, so collecting hairs is a no go right now ;)
He's very cute cmhorses :)

The way I'd describe my filly’s face markings best is to say she looks like she has 2 patches of colour on a white head rather than a white patch on a coloured head if that makes sense- the colour even turns in towards her lips under neither her head between her cheekbones at her throat forming a white V aiming towards her chin. There’s also only about 2-3cm gap of solid colour stopping the white from the left side of her face connecting with the white on the right side of her face & it’s very pointy not oval or rounded- so I’m starting to lean towards Sabino in the mix as well unless that’s just the Frame at work ;)

Test for Frame if you ever decide to breed her (or for your own curiosity)
I wouldn't be surprised if she is.

It is always better to test than risk it. A $40 test is a lot cheaper than the loss of the stud fee and costs of keeping and vetting a broodmare plus the heartbreak of having a LWO syndrome foal.

[b][u][i]She is getting tested for Frame[/i][/u][/b] as stated in my 2nd post :). Just cant do it right away as we have had really bad weather & major flooding along with big mud & rock slides.

From what I know now, even if I didnt plan of breeding her, I'd have her tested....If I ever own another 'pattern' pony that hasnt been tested for Frame, it will be tested (unless it's a gelding). Having a LWO foal is not something I ever want to go through, loosing a foal for any reason is bad enough without increasing that risk to 25%-50% :(

I think it'd be safer for all involved if mares & entires had to be tested for Frame in-order to be registered, at least then the risk of unexpected LW foals would be reduced- not likely to happen I know, but dreams are free :grin:

Sorry, I wasn't trying to call you out or anything. My post was my kneejerk response to anyone asking about frame in their herd. If I were ever to go into breeding (not likely unless Rabbit waves her magic wand at me), I would test everything I breed, regardless of color or breed for frame just for my own peace of mind.

[quote=Monsterpony]Sorry, I wasn't trying to call you out or anything. My post was my kneejerk response to anyone asking about frame in their herd. If I were ever to go into breeding (not likely unless Rabbit waves her magic wand at me), I would test everything I breed, regardless of color or breed for frame just for my own peace of mind.[/quote]

No worries - I but it in bold & underlined because others since my 2nd post have also said test her & it would get a tad old if I had to keep posting she is getting tested over & over lol, so wasnt aimed directly at you :)

[quote=Surayya][b][u][i]She is getting tested for Frame[/i][/u][/b] as stated in my 2nd post :). Just cant do it right away as we have had really bad weather & major flooding along with big mud & rock slides.

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Okay, so you North Island or Nelson? Hope you didn't get flooded and land-slipped in the latest bout.

North Island - Got a bit flooded out but lived to tell the tale :p So Im finally testing this filly.

Im doing 3 maybe 4 tests, Im testing her for Splash & Frame 1st & foremost- Thinking Tobiano as well so I know if she's homozygous or heterozygous, then Im not sure what else to test for if anything- she doesnt have any roaning in her patches, so doubt Sabino 1 is worth the testing? Cant see Dom White being present either.
I know she's a single Dilute, so cream isn't worth testing.
I'm not sure if she carries Chestnut (her Sire has thrown 1 or 2 chestnuts) or what her Agouti status is, but I dont really care enough to want to test for it asap, as 99% certain she's Seal Brown & the nicest stallion here (that Id want to use) is homozygous black, so Seal or Black foals only from that cross (+ I kinda like Chestnuts & Palominos, so not the end of the world if she did throw one if bred to a Red horse lol) :)

What is the Seal test lab like? Maybe I should confirm her Seal status, to rule out her being a smutty/sooty bay buckskin? As that'd be the biggest colour changer for her foals wouldnt it? - Im sending the hairs to USDavis on Monday (if we arent flooded out ...again!!!)

I can post some photos of her 1/2 siblings, if that will help & have better photos of her sire as well now :)

I really should have sprung for express courier. Sent samples on Mon & they are still in transit to America :-W - Silly me, I should have known Id be impatient for the results once Id sent them off lol. I cant wait to see what her Splash White results are!

I'm hoping for at least 1 Homozygous Splash White pattern (but think she'll be heterozygous), neg OWLS & Heterozygous Tobiano (but I think she will be Homozygous). Anyone else want to guess which Splash she could be? lol