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Color Recognition in Vet Med
I am in the process of outlining my senior paper for my fourth year. I want to base the project around current knowledge of color genetics in the veterinary field and the need for horse vets to be further educated. Part of the project will include a survey of equine vets in the US using a photographic electronic survey. Once I determine the level of knowledge amongst vets, I will put together the reasoning behind further education. I have broken the reasoning for knowing accurately horse colors down into two main categories, medical and legal. So far I have for medical Frame (LWO), Lp/Appaloosa (night blindness) and Grey (melanoma). For legal I have registrations, transport/coggins documents and medical records. Can you all think of any other medical or legal reasons why a vet needs to have at least a moderate color genetics understanding? On a similar note, once I finish the survey, I am going to use you all as guinea pigs to test its accuracy. I should have a first draft done soon, but I am still short certain pictures. The first part of the survey will have photos of different colors with a box to fill in the correct color. This part is to determine if the average vet can distinguish the obvious phenotypes of normal colors (so no almost black sooty palominos, fjord dunskins or other aberrant-type shades). For that, I am still in need photos that very clearly show the typical expression of palomino, champagne (close up enough to show eye/skin color), red dun, grey with distinct dapples, grullo and any of the double cream dilutes. If you have those or know someone who might have them, please let me know. All appropriate credits will be given in the survey and presentation. The second part of the survey will have photos of ten or twelve horses of various white patterns with a breed listed and will have the option to check which of the horses is carrying the frame gene. For this part, I want photos of obvious frames as well as non-expressing frames and non-frames that have frame-like white patterns. Basically, this is to show that it is not possible to tell by visual cues only whether a horse is Oo or not. So if you have any photos of (or can direct me to someone that does): a) very obvious frame patterns b) Frame (Oo) horses that do not show frame (like mostly tobiano expression, only face markings or solid/non-white) c) Non-frame (oo) horses that have patterns that are often confused with frame (splash, sabino, etc).
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Re: Color Recognition in Vet Med

I know we were talking on the other site but I uploaded the pictures here in my gallery. All these were taken by me so they can be used. :)

http://www.equine-color.info/v/member/Pa...

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Thank you! Those will do brilliantly. What would you like the photo credit to say?

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I have several too if you want to use different sources.
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the last 2 are out of that first horse
, and i think he is a tobiano/frame/sabino
if you like any of those horses i can get better pictures

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Re: Color Recognition in Vet Med

I don't know. What do the usually say? Courtesy of Emily West I guess or something like that. Maybe just Photo by Emily West??

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CMhorses- The first and third photos have patterns could work for the frame photos. Can you get photos that show all the legs and head? Thanks.

Paintlover- "Photos by Emily West (sometimes with of Such-and-such Farm or at such-and-such.com)" is what I usually use for photo credits.

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Ok, well I don't have a farm name. So then I guess just Photos by Emily West. :)

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I just thought of something else that vets could need as far as color knowledge. That other colors can mimic leather white but are not. IE double dilutes and max sabinos

EDIT: Lethal not leather :oops: :lol:

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I just thought of something else that vets could need as far as color knowledge. That other colors can mimic leather white but are not. IE double dilutes and max sabinos

EDIT: Lethal not leather :oops: :lol:

:lol: I was wondering what Leather white was for a moment there!! :lol:

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another thing medical would be splash deafness-they arnt always deaf but its more common with them correct?

and im working on getting those pictures, photobucket hates me right now

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Gold Boss Holiday, I saw you needed a palimino picture
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c143/S...

Doctor Color (that first horse)...thats an old old picture, and i can take one tomorrow if you want a newer better one
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c143/S...

Docs Snow Chick
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Re: Color Recognition in Vet Med

Thanks CMhorses. The palomino would be great if its head wasn't in the shade (I know, I'm picky). The other two photos are great though. What would you like for a credit?

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Yea I have more funny pictures of that palimino...like where you cant see all of his legs, or it was snowing >.< .

For credit you can put their name if you want and photos courtesy of Christy Maxon.

Be sure to let us know how this paper turns out! I really want to see how much vets know.

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this is falabella stallion dna tested positive for frame is it any use?

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Wow thats a cute falabela, the blue eyes are stunning. Was he only positive for frame? I know splash commonly has blue eyes.

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Thanks CMhorses.

Supaspots- That is a really interesting photo. It'll be great for the frame that doesn't look it.

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Thankyou CM :D as far as I know there is no test for splash yet , but its possible that he carries that too as his dam is splashed white .
several of his foals have been solid with a large star and large snip and blue eyes , is that typical of frame ?

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imo that sounds more splash than frame, i know the little horses can have the strangest expressions of genes

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Hey, MP, I forgot which forum I answered you on this quest (obviously not this one :roll: )...have you found red dun and grulla photos?

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I still don't have a grullo.

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I can get you tons of pictures of a grullo+roan.....

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Not a real good picture but he looks more grullo in that picture then in most others.

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I am bumping this thread back up as there are a number of new members that might be able to help me out. I actually need more colors than I originally listed because I am redoing a genetics lecture I wrote a few years ago that I lost several of the photo credits for. All photos will be credited to the photographer/farm/owner and used only for academic purposes.

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As opposed to nefarious purposes?

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Re: Color Recognition in Vet Med

I mean that I am not going to stick them all over the internet or use them for horse sim games and the like.

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That would, indeed, be nefarious.

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MP it would probably help if you listed some of the colours/patterns that you still need???

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Re: Color Recognition in Vet Med

I can provide pictures of the frame/splash/sabino filly you already saw in addition to bay dun or bay (regular, not wild). I also had a grulla roan filly that turned grey if you're interested in something crazy like that! :shock:

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I am willing to look at any colors as they may be better than the ones I already have, but colors that I don't have for the lecture are:

-palomino
-buckskin
-smokey black (that shows)
-any double dilute cream
-red dun (that shows a dorsal)
-grullo
-any form of dun that shows the characteristics clearly (non-fjord)
-silver bay (non-shetland/mini)
-silver black (non-shetland/mini)
-pangaré (non-bay dun fjord)
-gold champagne with flaxen mane
-amber champagne
-classic champagne
-pearl
-greys in early stages (iron, steel, just starting to show)
-greys with blood marks
-red roan
-blue roan
-tobiano
-tested frame positive
-rabicano
-splashed white
-max white sabino
-sabino roan
-dominant white
-Lplp in different amounts
-LpLp in different amounts

I am trying to get at least two different examples (though multiple would be great) for each color.

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Re: Color Recognition in Vet Med

I'll send you some of buckskin, splashed white, and chestnut sabino. But it'll have to wait until Monday when I get back to work. They'll also be ponies if you don't mind.

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Hope these help

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Smokey black on a registered Connemarra

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red roan on an Uruguayan Criollo Stallion

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Chestnut based few spot stallion (100% colour producer to date)

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I think you research could be really exciting - looking forward to hearing how you get on!

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