Classic roan on liver chestnut or seal brown?

Seal brown is still a theroy, Seal brown tests Bay.IMO Till more labs are able to review and offer the "seal brown/bay" test it will still be in my mind theroy.

Well shoot, I guess pearl is just a theory still too then and some of the spotting genes :( just because he hasnt published it doesnt mean it isnt there.

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Brown roan (unfortunately in winter coat so hard to see roan).

Thank you for the replies and yes, I am aware that there is only one lab testing for brown so far and that they have not published yet.
I am especially interested in seeing liver chestnut classic roans + brown classic roans, so thank you for posting that picture, Monsterpony! :D
Maybe there are more pictures around?
Actually I cannot remember that I have EVER seen a liver chestnut classic roan in my life...maybe they don't keep their dark heads? :?: ;)

[quote="tjuri"]Actually I cannot remember that I have EVER seen a liver chestnut classic roan in my life...maybe they don't keep their dark heads? :?: ;)[/quote]

:laugh1 Well, I can't say that I ever remember seeing a liver classic roan either, but I am sure there is one "somewhere"... :bounce and if they don't keep the dark head, then they aren't classic roan... :sad :laugh1

What I meant when I said they might not keep their dark head is that maybe the classic roan takes off the liver and they appear as simple red roans? :?:
On the other hand: Given liver is quite rare, there will not be so many around like "regular" chestnuts I assume - hence why I would like to see one! :P
Same goes for brown + classic roan... I was searching the older threads in order to find one - could it be that some GRULLOs are actually brown + roan???? Let aside there are different shades of grullos as well! :?

I've seen TOOOOONS of brown roans. They are usually called blue roan (erroneously obviously). I've seen a few liver chestnut roans. Both looks exactly as they would without roan IMO (ed and legs I mean).

I have seen a classic roan liver. I even had a picture of her. Unfortunately I deleted the photo as I took it when I was looking to buy a horse and ended up not getting her foal and was thinking I didn't need the photo anymore. :BH

They do exist though.

the QH mare on here, her owner calls her a liver chestnut with classic roan and rabicano....

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she was also listed on the old equinecolor.com page as the same

I think her reg. name is Win A Snip, she's a 1985 model...lol

She's insanely dark, but she does appear chestnut. Are they sure she's classic roan? I'm not.

i think she had a classic roan foal by a non roan stallion....but i'm not 100% on this...i'll see what I can find out

edit to add:
found that before Kaiti owned her, she had 6 foals...5 were roans.

i found names for some of them and their sires
-- All Sired by AQHA stallion True Blue Quincy --

- Quincy Blue Geronimo, red roan gelding
- Blue Snip Quincy, red roan gelding
- We Is Quincy's Winner
- Lady Daniella, red roan mare

-- Sired by APHA stallion Eternal Scribbles --

- Delightful Dance, sorrel overo mare

the pictures are no longer on the forums, but she used to have pics of the offspring. I'll shoot her a message on there and see if she still has them. I know that they looked more true roan than Sugar does.

Kaiti so wonderfully supplied me with a picture. This is Sugars appendix filly, a true roan, by the thoroughbred Malmo. She said the other roans(who's names I've supplied in the post before this) were by a solid chestnut QH and the only non roan was the paint filly.

wow...lookit how dark Sugar is behind the foal in the one picture too!

on another note...there is a buckskin stallion up the road a ways from me that is a roan, but looks even less roan than Sugar does. Sunfrost Bronsin is his name.

Forgot all about these pictures..This mare is Aa or At a if it pleases you.

The foal is hers by a true black stud.

Thank you so much - these pics helped clarifying a lot for me... :D the QH mare actually looks like liver on the last pic only... if there were not her classic roan foals, I had not guessed her being classic + rabicano :idea: since her head was quite the same color as her body! :roll: Thanks a lot RedHayflinger for mailing her owner! :D

Also thanks to admin: Has this mare been tested? So, I guess one could expect to find a brownish muzzle on a brown classic roan, just like on non-roan browns found quite often? I know it's not set in stone as a rule but in many cases? :?:
Acc: Yes, I have seen horses like this mare being called blue-roans too because people were going by the color of the body. ;) :roll:

admin: The photo you deleted...did the horse have a typical liver head or was it similar to this QH mare above? :?:

These roan-things have nagged at me for quite a while so I am glad I decided to join this board for more opinions! I appreciate the various input here and surely like the polite and respectful way of discussing! :HB :D

The mare above has not been test as far as I know. She had a son that tested aa and the foal shown was born obviously bay.

I honestly don't remember what color her head was. I just remember thinking wow neat a liver chestnut roan.

Thanks for the input everybody! :)