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Classic Grullo Champagne Tovero??

PamelaTX July 11, 2009 February 22, 2011

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[color=#8000BF][b]Came across this fella....is there a classic grullo champagne?? http://www.crossfield-ranch.de/luck_dia.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;[/b][/color]

RiddleMeThis Sat, 07/11/2009 - 22:04

Well calling it a classic grulla champagne is a bit redundant as the champagne is already listed as the word "classic" denotes the champagne.

And yes it exists. Its a horse who is black based with ressive agouti the champagne gene, and dun.

He tested Ee (black based) aa (recessive agouti) and CHch (champagne). He was nottested for dun, however he has VERY prominent dun factor so he is most likely a Classic Grulla or Classic Dun.

Theres more information here
http://ichregistry.com/dun.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

accphotography Sun, 07/12/2009 - 12:53

[quote="lipigirl"][quote="accphotography"]It amazes me how much dun and champagne feed off each other.[/quote]

In what way ?

Nice horse BTW !![/quote]

They are MUCH paler than either one of them would have been individually. Unlike cream and dun.

lipigirl Sun, 07/12/2009 - 14:15

[quote="accphotography"][quote="lipigirl"][quote="accphotography"]It amazes me how much dun and champagne feed off each other.[/quote]

In what way ?

Nice horse BTW !![/quote]

They are MUCH paler than either one of them would have been individually. Unlike cream and dun.[/quote]

But there is little or no difference to my friend's Champagne who is black with cream and champers. Any Champers with cream also is as pale as with Dun - as they are all diluters it makes sense - don't you think?

RiddleMeThis Sun, 07/12/2009 - 14:23

[quote="lipigirl"]
But there is little or no difference to my friend's Champagne who is black with cream and champers. Any Champers with cream also is as pale as with Dun - as they are all diluters it makes sense - don't you think?[/quote]ACC is saying Champagne + Dun dilutes MUCH more than Cream + Dun. Cream + dun many times look like normal Creams except with dun factor, where Champagne + Dun is quite obviously more diluted.

critterkeeper Sun, 07/12/2009 - 16:35

He is a stunning combination of color :love ...I like, I want :cry: , I must go do something :hammer ...anything but look at beautiful horses...I'm getting weak.. :BH . :laugh1

PamelaTX Sun, 07/12/2009 - 23:12

[b]Ok thanks!!
[color=#BF8000]Just wan't sure what one would like...since grullos are much darker....just didn't look like a grullo...of course I've never seen a Classic Grullo Champagne before!![/b] [/color] :laugh1

Jordie0587 Wed, 07/29/2009 - 23:25

HOLY BACK LEGS BATMAN! Ouchie. Somebody that can read that please tell me he's not breeding!?!

He is certainly a pretty color though. Too bad he's so sickle hocked, and his fronts are crooked :sad he would otherwise be pretty nice. Nice neck and head, decent shoulder, but I can't get past his legs....

But his color is so pretty. :( I wish more gorgeously colored horses were more correct.

Jordie0587 Wed, 07/29/2009 - 23:48

Wow that's weird. Eartips are most definitely NOT black.

Dorsal looks red too.

Ok, maybe I'm wrong, the very tippy tips *might* be black, but in some pictures they definitely aren't.

Give me a minute I'm using print screen to try and copy a picture.

accphotography Thu, 07/30/2009 - 00:04

I think it's a daddy replica. That's definitely a black tail. We know champagne dilutes dun (can turn a black dorsal orange, etc.) and makes them look paler. Although champagnes usually start out darker, I'm guessing when dun is present that is not the case.

peruvianpasogal Sat, 08/01/2009 - 23:24

[quote="Jordie0587"]HOLY BACK LEGS BATMAN! Ouchie. Somebody that can read that please tell me he's not breeding!?!

He is certainly a pretty color though. Too bad he's so sickle hocked, and his fronts are crooked :sad he would otherwise be pretty nice. Nice neck and head, decent shoulder, but I can't get past his legs....

But his color is so pretty. :( I wish more gorgeously colored horses were more correct.[/quote]
There is a lot of color being bred out there that shouldnt be :( nice color but I dont like the legs either

CMhorses Sat, 08/01/2009 - 23:46

Wow I never noticed those legs. They scream 'geld me, geld me' to me. I hate how alot of stock horses are getting soo ugly and still getting championships, its insane and sickening.