Can Roan Turn Manes Silver?

If I am corrct then Norikers also have the spotted colouring, and we all know what app colourings can do to coat colour, not seen a dark chestnut/blonde or silvery looking one before but it isnt a breed i am particularly familiar with.

Pic of a darkcoat/light mane Noriker here
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Wow, I've never heard of the breeds mentioned here, let alone seen their pictures before.

The last one to me looks like it could be a silver black with diluted legs and socks but looking at some other pics, they look like liver chestnuts with sabino.

I'm still looking for pics of chestnuts that look like silver bay, if anyone can help.

I found one that looked black silver
http://www.morgancolors.com/HeavensAnge…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"HEAVEN'S ANGEL (Dia H Major Boy X Heaven's Girl), 1990 flaxen black chestnut mare (was suspected silver dapple, but tested via UC Davis' Red Factor Test as a chestnut)"

Yes dark liver/flaxen can be mistaken for silver bay and vice versa but are there any flaxen chestnuts anywhere that look like silver bay?

Yes Dogrose there are lots my little miniature mare for instance looks Silver Bay her lower legs look darker..... but I very much doubt it.

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She has the standard dark stripe down the tail of Chestnuts with flaxen too.
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I know the Comtois are cited as one of the breeds carrying silver, along with the Ardennais and some of the Scandinavian breeds. However, I think you would be hard pressed to find one confirmed by testing, as I doubt those breeders a) know about it, b) are interested in testing and c) unless we have a French national on here who is *in* with those breeds, I doubt we'll ever know about it even if the first two reasons don't occur. But they are almost certainly silver.

I do have a good French friend you may be able to assist or Tjuri may know someone too - will try her.

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Red Dun + Sooty + Flaxen.
STILL not as dark as some of the Welsh Cobs (specifically Cobs, not ponies) that I have seen.
One in particular would have rivalled that Morgan mare, and then there was the stallion I saw in a market who was "dappled lilac" Palomino, and, since this was pre testing days, proven by breeding to have Cream. There was an outside chance that he was going Grey as he was still relatively young (nine) but there was no typical greying signs on him and he had never had a Grey foal out of a non Grey mare (we spent quite a while chatting to his owner!) I have never before of since seen one that colour! His mane and tail were white, but the kind of white you get on a very pale maned Silver Black, not the kind of white you get on a Palomino.
I have seen (obviously red based) liver chestnut Cobs so dark they would look black if it were not for a few reddish patches in the groin and the elbow and the blond, blond manes and tails.
In Ponies (Sec B)I have seen animals darker than the ones posted, but they have mostly turned out to be palominos going Grey- it is hard when all you have to go on is a photo!!

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There are a few pictures of a weird colored horse that kinda looks chestnut, but has dark legs in this gallery...

That's just a dark red dun. Not an unusual presentation really.

His legs are much darker looking in person:
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Thanks for the pics :-)
There are some Comtois in the UK, mostly come in from French meat trade rescues.

Wow, ACC, wonderful that you can see that, you are the first person in living history that can!
Now how about if I tell you she is actually a tested Silver Bay??

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That's a journal article that I found about silver. It was quoted in another article that claimed that the Comtois and Ardennais were confirmed silver. I went through the actual article and couldn't find anything about the Comtois (but I'm on my phone so I may have missed it), but if the Ardennais does then I can see exactly how this happened.

If the Comtois was all bay in the early 1900s and then turned bay silver due to one remarkable stallion, that stallion could have been a bay silver. Ardennais was added to the Comtois sometime in/after the 19th century to improve the breed. It would make sense that a remarkable "chestnut" Comtois was actually one of the silver Ardennais crosses!

Thanks for your help, guys. I might have never realized that the Comtois was silver without it. I have a farm picked out to talk to, and as soon as I get home next week I'll get my French speaking pals to help me try to get some hair samples. I'd like to prove without a doubt that there is silver in Comtois. That way I can get the breed association to stop calling them chestnut.

[quote="rabbitsfizz"]Wow, ACC, wonderful that you can see that, you are the first person in living history that can!
Now how about if I tell you she is actually a tested Silver Bay??[/quote]

Actually, I was responding to Third Peppermint, not you. But I wouldn't believe you if you said she was silver bay since you already said she was red dun. :rofl

Finally found a pic- this horse is ComtoisXFriesianXMerens. Merens and Friesian are both pretty much always black (with very rare exceptions) so I doubt this horse is dark liver and flaxen.
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Now that horse looks a silver bay to me :)

And it looks Silver Black to me.......
Sometimes only testing can tell for sure....speaking of which, have any of these Comtois horses been tested for Silver??

I'm not sure, I have seen them being described as silver bay by people on a message board and thats the second cross I've come across that looked silver black (or that one in the pic may be dark bay). It just seems to me that sooty on a chestnut is quite variable and more diffuse than the regular dark legs you see on the Comtois, and I've seen the coffee and dapple colour silver black in comtois pics too. Best places for pics are the French slaughter rescue sites as they have loads on there.

Of course, one thing none of us have considered is that this is a Comtois explicit colour, like Mushroom????
We really need some of these horses to be tested.....

[quote="rabbitsfizz"]We really need some of these horses to be tested.....[/quote]

I got a couple French-speaking people who are helping me contact some farms to try and get hair sample. Is there a particular place that is best for testing for silver?

Excellent, keep us updated as to how you get on.

I know UCDavis tests for silver (doesn't it?) Not sure what labs might be available in Europe/UK region.

Diane

There is a lab here in the UK that does it for £25.00 but that is twice the price of UC Davies and I have found them very reliable and quick. Postage is minimal as hair can go in a normal letter post.