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Brindle German Shepherd Dog - The Lost Pattern
Interesting read. http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4vn2..." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Brindle German Shepherd Dog - The Lost Pattern

I'd forgotten about the brindle ones - thanks for reminding me. ;)

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Dutch shepherds still have brindle, very similar to GSDs.
Lots of pics on this page http://www.vonfalconer.com/dutchshepherd..." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[color=#804000][i]I bought me a horse twas called a grey mare
Grey mane and grey tail and green stripe on her back
Grey mane and grey tail and green stripe on her back
Weren't a hair upon her that was not coal black[/i][/color]

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Re: Brindle German Shepherd Dog - The Lost Pattern

You're welcome lipi. I never knew about brindle GSDs.
Dogrose I'd never heard of Dutch Shepherds either. They are very similar to GSDs!

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They look nice- sort of like the old GSDs before they went all weird and distorted.

[color=#804000][i]I bought me a horse twas called a grey mare
Grey mane and grey tail and green stripe on her back
Grey mane and grey tail and green stripe on her back
Weren't a hair upon her that was not coal black[/i][/color]

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Re: Brindle German Shepherd Dog - The Lost Pattern

the picture with the article isn't even marked as a GSD..just as a shepherd dog: http://members.atlantic.net/~vcristel/gs..." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
is the source I found for it

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Dutch shepherds still have brindle, very similar to GSDs.
Lots of pics on this page http://www.vonfalconer.com/dutchshepherd..." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No. Not that similar to the GSD, but a lot more similar to the Belgians. Smaller, straighter, faster, smarter, hardier and healthier than the Germans. :D (I am not prejudiced) :mrgreen: They don't 'still' have brindle, but they should 'only' have brindle. ;) Fawn sometimes happens though. The above page shows a lot of oversized dogs. For those who know the Malinois, the DS is supposed to be of similar size and build.

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I got the impression they were a little heavier and larger than the Belgians but I've only seen pics. I've seen Belgians and my friend has a Belgian cross border collie and they seem more collie like than GSD like, and my friend said they are more (Border) collie like in temperament.
They are still more similar than many other breeds and do look a lot nicer in body shape than a GSD IMO, and I guess give you some sort of idea as to what a brindle GSD might have looked like.
I once saw a beautiful chocolate brindle GSD mix in London, very pretty dog.

[color=#804000][i]I bought me a horse twas called a grey mare
Grey mane and grey tail and green stripe on her back
Grey mane and grey tail and green stripe on her back
Weren't a hair upon her that was not coal black[/i][/color]

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I got the impression they were a little heavier and larger than the Belgians but I've only seen pics. I've seen Belgians and my friend has a Belgian cross border collie and they seem more collie like than GSD like, and my friend said they are more (Border) collie like in temperament.

They are supposed to be in the range of the belgians, but there is a working population that has larger ones among them. Belgians can be tough as nails, and I would not describe them as collie like as compared to GSD's, but I would have to admit that there are vast temperamant differences between for example the Tervuren and Groenendaels and Lakenois on on side and the Malinois on the other side. (the four Belgian varieties, as you may know) I could see a Terv or Groen being more collie like, but the Mal will mostly act like a GSD on speed. :lol:
The DS (Dutch shepherd) has FCI show lines which are mostly just good looking with limited original temperament left, and working lines, often not as good looking but serious working dogs for all kinds of cool applications in their service to mankind. (And I breed those) :angel
All of these below are mine.

Patrol work
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They are still more similar than many other breeds and do look a lot nicer in body shape than a GSD IMO, and I guess give you some sort of idea as to what a brindle GSD might have looked like.
I once saw a beautiful chocolate brindle GSD mix in London, very pretty dog.

It is true that the DS basic shape has changed very little The biggest loss was in the showlines (the temperament) but the shape compares well to what it used to be 100 years ago.
No clue what else might have been in your chocolate brindle GSD mix. bb brown does not happen in GSD's and it is a recessive that takes two to go chocolate. The brindle is a dominant that does not happen (anymore) in GSD's either :o I would guess there was part bullterrier in that mix, but I still need one more parent that carries brown dillute and the GSD might carry black dillute (very rare) but no brown. What a shame you don't have a pic. :( I bet it was pretty.

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Nice DSs :-) I like the black head and brindled body colour.
The dog I saw was just in passing at a street market in London, it belonged to the boyfriend of the woman who was walking it and she didn't know much about it, not sure what could have gone in the mix, it looked, percentagewise, mostly GSD in type and size. I'm guessing probably lurcher (for the brindle) and working sheepdog (for the chocolate) were the most likely input.
I have seen a pic of a chocolate and tan GSD, they crop up occasionally in the UK and are usually called 'red' but nowhere near as common as blues seem to be now, they must be a bit of a fad.

[color=#804000][i]I bought me a horse twas called a grey mare
Grey mane and grey tail and green stripe on her back
Grey mane and grey tail and green stripe on her back
Weren't a hair upon her that was not coal black[/i][/color]

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VL - That has to be the most amazing thing to be breeding and training those animals. Do you have more photos?

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I agree, I'd love to see more pics :)
I think they are handsome dogs.

I just rehomed a two year old, purebred belgian shepherd for my sister. She took her on for a friend two months ago, who had a marriage break up but my sister didn't have the time to give the gorgeous girl. She'd had no training but gosh she's so good with little kids. Loves them dearly. I've rehomed her to a farm on 40 acres with a lovely lady who has the experience and knowledge to give her the training she needs. She also has a five year old child and a fifteen year old to love. Made my week being able to arrange it :D

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:oops: Some of my Dutch Shepherds. These are only the dogs I owned or bred in action. I don't have a whole lot of good conformation shots uploaded to the internet. :sad

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