Blue eyes not caused by Splash, Frame, or Cream?

she looks splash to me

Yep, I agree, looks splash to me too.... :love She can come live at my house if she wants too.... ymwhisle :ymdaydream:

I was thinking splash, too.

Yeah I just wasn't sure, because I've not seen a loudly marked pure bred akhal teke before. I mean I know there are sabinos in the breed, I've never noticed blue eyes until now. There are some that don't have blue eyes, but still show loud markings like this http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6JcCpEVFAGQ/S…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I guess I was just trying to see if it was splash in there or not. Here's another one, http://akhal-teke.org/images/madga_3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;[1].jpg

Sabino, like the other KIT mutations, doesn't appear to cause blue appears so you are pretty much only going to find blue eyes in splash or double creams.

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Found another one. Wouldn't that be something odd, so see a loudly marked splashed white teke.

What are some of the theorys behind how splash white can stay so minimally expressed through generaton after generation?

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I like this ones face...lol

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found that on a blog..she's got some belly white. Here is the blog: http://farsideoffiftyphotos.blogspot.co…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.stewartclan.ca/galleries/atw…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; would love to see the whole face...oh..found him here too
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bottom pic another with belly white
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[quote="JNFerrigno"]What are some of the theorys behind how splash white can stay so minimally expressed through generaton after generation?[/quote]
It's incomplete dominant, like cream, so needs to have two copies to create the full loud expression.

I know this has come up before, but I'm not sure that is the only answer. I think if loud white markings have been selected against generation after generation then, even in homozygous form, genes like splash don't usually express much. It's only out of the blue one day you get a loudly marked one. Not because of zygosity, but because of the modifiers that let the white express have combined in a less usual way. I thing zygosity certainly has an effect, but it's not the only answer, if that makes sense?

I agree that selective breeding has bred in white suppressors that keep splash somewhat at bay for a time.

Thats what I was thinking, that there were suppressors, but it has been a few years since I attended a lecture on color, and wasn't sure if the same theory's still were favored or not.

:-t Okay, now for another question. Doesn't splash usually put blue in the eyes that touch white, not where color applies? I thought frame put blue inside color and splash put it on white - or has that theory been shot down too (I have not been keeping up - dang Farmville anyway :booty ).
Something about a few of those horses say frame to me (yes I know, they aren't supposed to carry frame) so could there be a linked mutation causing the blue eyes that in fact is not frame, but is often linked/passed along with frame to give blue eyes to frame positive horses? That would explain the frames without blue eyes... ymwhisle

I'm not fully sure what your asking but splash can cause blue or partial blue eyes without white on the surrounding hair by the eye. The morgan colors website has many examples of this occurrence.

http://www.morgancolors.com/splashwhite…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Frames with normal eyes can have offspring from solid mates born with bright blues caused by frame.

I don't think external white placement has anything to do with blue eyes personally.

I agree with ACC for the most part.

I also agree. I have two horses with a blue eye who are negative for frame. One has just a lower half blaze as his white (besides an appy blanket) and while the other is a leopard, there are black spots near his eyes and on his eyelids, and I see no indication of ANY white caused by splash, but it must be due to him being negative for frame (btw what I mean by no indicators, he has a lot of black spots on his face and lower legs that wouldn't be there if there were face white or leg white). So, two blue eyed horses without white markings touching them.

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:love

Okay, so that theory has been shot down... ymwhisle . I guess I need to spend more time :lurk on here and less time on FB/MS playing those "idiot games" as my hubby calls them (but they are SOOOO addictive).

[quote="CheyAut"]I also agree. I have two horses with a blue eye who are negative for frame. One has just a lower half blaze as his white (besides an appy blanket) and while the other is a leopard, there are black spots near his eyes and on his eyelids, and I see no indication of ANY white caused by splash, but it must be due to him being negative for frame (btw what I mean by no indicators, he has a lot of black spots on his face and lower legs that wouldn't be there if there were face white or leg white). So, two blue eyed horses without white markings touching them.[/quote]
Wait what? Blue eyes horses without frame or splash?

[quote="JNFerrigno"][quote="CheyAut"]I also agree. I have two horses with a blue eye who are negative for frame. One has just a lower half blaze as his white (besides an appy blanket) and while the other is a leopard, there are black spots near his eyes and on his eyelids, and I see no indication of ANY white caused by splash, but it must be due to him being negative for frame (btw what I mean by no indicators, he has a lot of black spots on his face and lower legs that wouldn't be there if there were face white or leg white). So, two blue eyed horses without white markings touching them.[/quote]
Wait what? Blue eyes horses without frame or splash?[/quote]

I think she meant no major obvious white? But probably still splash I'd assume.

Her statement makes more sense with an extra comma?
[quote]I see no indication of ANY white caused by splash, but it must, be due to him being negative for frame[/quote]

Yes I meant no frame, so must be splash. Which you could say is obvious on the colt due to his half blaze (bottom half of his face) , althoguh his sire, the leopard, I would say is splash in it's most minimal form since there is no indication of white markinggs (judging by the placing of his leopard spots). I would venture to guess maybe he has a white supressor, who knows. If you want to see them, they're on the stallions page of my website, and there's a link to their photo albums (Spin and Sharpie).

Some of the loudest Splashed whites I have seen have either tobiano or frame adding to the mix.

Frame seems to stick close to splashed whites and can make it hard to determine without testing.

Does anyone know if there is any research being done for the splashed white gene atthis time?

I would certainly LOVE to participate in that one!

[quote="Pacific Pintos"]Some of the loudest Splashed whites I have seen have either tobiano or frame adding to the mix.
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IMO if you're seeing "loud splash" with tobiano and frame mixed in, you really aren't seeing "loud splash" your seeing "loud combinations of patterns". ESPECIALLY tobiano.

Tobiano seems to majorly boost splash though, I see that in my shetlands.

[quote="Pacific Pintos"]Does anyone know if there is any research being done for the splashed white gene atthis time?[/quote]

Yes, there is. I think that they have even narrowed it down to a few possible areas if what I heard through the grapevine is true. It is definitely not another KIT mutation.

Oh that's interesting!

I think I read that they think it's similar to Tobiano? Or maybe location-wise? Is Tobi still detected by markers? Was it Alb[size=85]B[/size]?

[quote="Jenks"]I think I read that they think it's similar to Tobiano? Or maybe location-wise? Is Tobi still detected by markers? Was it Alb[size=85]B[/size]?[/quote]
Definitely not location wise as Tobiano is on KIT. And no, I believe Tobiano is a direct test now.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe tobiano is a rather large inversion near (right before?) kit but not on kit?

Yes, they have a direct test for tobiano.

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[quote="admin"]Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe tobiano is a rather large inversion near (right before?) kit but not on kit?

Yes, they have a direct test for tobiano.

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Its right before, but close enough that they consider it "on" KIT. And I believe part of that is because it effects KIT.