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I would have to agree. One picture of only his head wouldn't be enough for me to decide one way or the other.

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RF I was talking about horses in general like Sara was, of course a Baroque head on an Arab would look ridiculous !! :laugh1

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I was just out filling waters and had a thought. There is a lot of emotion tied up in language and when horses with straight or convex profiles are called "common" or "plain" or the particularly deplorable "hammer-headed" it creates a negative feeling, even when used neutrally. I even used the word plain in my own post, and I like those heads! I'll go back and edit that out.

I'm going to make up my own terms for horse heads now, and use them accordingly. From now on, I will say I like horses with respectable heads. I don't much care for those foofy-headed ones. ;) :P

I prefer a straight/convex profile over an overly dishy one. To me, the overly dishy comes across as a "my little pony" or seahorse profile...

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That's fine on an Andalusian or a Lusitano or even a Barb, but it has no place on an Arab.

Okay, let me ask you this...what about all the "arab" horses I saw and rode in the Middle East that did not come with that seahorse head? Do they not count as "Arabs'? Quite frankly, I used to love the Arab horse, until I moved to the Middle East and saw what the actual tribal horses looked like. Turned me totally off what is available in the US/outside the Middle East.

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Completely agree, especially if hes a PERFORMANCE horse. Might as well just kick him out cause hes gray.

Woops...count me into THAT category! :laugh1

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I like all heads in their own way. In fact I think the only truely ugly head I've seen had a horrid bulging lump just bellow the eyes. :?

I used to insult Julio, but only because I love him. Kind of like a pug, i see them as so funny looking their are the cutest. :D
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He had everything I usually consider "wrong" in a head but how can you resist those long lips and bright eyes? He always looked like he was going to start talking any minute. :lol:

I DO think that a head should be breed apropriate, but there is leeway in performance horses. Like in Paints, I like the classic QH type head on a show horse but on, say, a roping horse I'll excuse big heads and long noses and such, but it should look like a Paint horse at least.

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He had everything I usually consider "wrong" in a head but how can you resist those long lips and bright eyes? He always looked like he was going to start talking any minute. :lol:

OMG IM IN LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!

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Awww, did you just kiss that snip all the time?

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Lol Morgan, my Lacey has one of the droopiest lips I've ever seen. She takes after her mother.
So tell me..more droopy than your guy??
(just look at how low it hangs...lol)

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Although this one isn't quite as droopy as it gets lol
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Hey thats enough y'all...pickin on the grays!!!!! I LOVE em!!! :love :love :love

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Oh man RMT is going to LOOOOOVE those lips. :rofl

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Hehe, Juli's lips weren't so much droopy as just long. He actaully kept them pursed all the time, he wa a nervous wreck (rescue). We ended up having to give him away to friends. Buddy, the Quarab gelding I had at the time, got into it with him(bully v. top horse) and Julio got pummelled, was fine physically but went into shock. I had to sit the night up with him laying in the stall moaning and the vet sedated him. He's in Tennessee still, fat and happy with a "girlfriend". They try to ride him every now and again but I think he's permanently messed up. I worked with him for a few years and never got him to relax under saddle. He was an unregistered Paso and thats all he would do: top speed paso gait from the momment your feet touch the stirrups untill he was in a lather (and wouldnt even stop then) He had scars on the bars of his mouth so I rode him in a rubber bit or halter. It was fun to ride and he handled well but you can only do so much at that speed.

And yes, lots of kisses :D Oddly for his other mental problems he looooved grooming. and you could bath and clip anywhere on him and have him super happy.

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My question is, if they are trying to market him, why aren't there more pictures of him?

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Lol Morgan, my Lacey has one of the droopiest lips I've ever seen. She takes after her mother.
So tell me..more droopy than your guy??
(just look at how low it hangs...lol)

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Although this one isn't quite as droopy as it gets lol
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Hey thats enough y'all...pickin on the grays!!!!! I LOVE em!!! :love :love :love

Yep me too - used to have Steffie on my side too but she is not around at the mo. :sad

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Oh man RMT is going to LOOOOOVE those lips. :rofl

I DO!!! OMG I DO!!! Can we combine that dark ones lips with the bays hdead?!!! PLEASE

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I love greys too so I'll be on your side, Lipi! It was always my favorite color which is how I ended up with Teddy -- I always wanted a dapple grey hunter. I didn't like it for a few years when I started learning about color but I'm back to my hunter roots and bays and greys are my absolute favorites.

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I love greys too, but solid greys. I'm too much of a paint lover to stand to watch a pattern slowely disapear. If I were to buy a solid breed of horse it would likely be a grey or a bay.

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Way to be categorical, Rabbit.

What about these horses, straight from a stud farm in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. Are they not Arabs? These are from Al-Asiil stud farm outside Damascus, Syria. (Nevermind the camels).

I hope you volunteer to tell the Arabs that their Arab horses aren't Arab enough, because I certainly don't want to.

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Way to be categorical, Rabbit.
What about these horses, straight from a stud farm in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. Are they not Arabs? These are from Al-Asiil stud farm outside Damascus, Syria. (Nevermind the camels).
I hope you volunteer to tell the Arabs that their Arab horses aren't Arab enough, because I certainly don't want to.

Whoa, easy now... I don't understand exactly where your problem is? :? Below are two quotes about *opinions* only.
RF, like me, wants an Arabian to *look* like what we think (have been taught?) an Arabian should look like, and she stated her criteria when looking at one for purchase and how the various uses she would have for it would dictate how much emphasis she put on the dishy face. She further strengthened her opinion-decision by also stating how she applies the exact same theories to her mini-horses.
Then we have NZA whose opinion is completely opposite; who perhaps feels the *real* Arabs are in the Middle East and the Arabs available outside the ME and here in America are probably bastardized versions of the Arabian horses she grew to love while living in the ME.

Both views are very different, and opposite, opinions...yet I noticed in the two links you provided the horses shown appeared to be very type-y in the manner RF likes, so I don't understand why you are riled. With the examples you've shown, I guess I would have expected you to take more umbrage at NZA's opinion, and the only theory I have about you not, is because the horses she prefers actually *are* in the ME.
I'm just confused...
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If I were buying an Arab I would want one with a good head, yes, and I would dismiss it out of hand if it did not have one.
If I were buying a riding horse, then, obviously the criteria would be different.
This horse is being marketed as an Arab, I don't care if it is racing or otherwise, if it has not the head it is not an Arab.
This does not stop it making a top class riding horse but it does stop it making a top class Arab.
Bit like a Mini, for me this means under 34" (we have no market for 34-38" Minis here) so I look at the height first.
If the height is OK I look at the rest of the horse, as I said in my last post.
But if the animal is 35" there is no point whatsoever in my looking at it, especially if it is a stallion.
If an Arab, being marketed as an Arab, has not a beautiful head, it is of no use to me.
I am well aware that I cannot "ride the head" and I would, of course, look at the rest of the animal carefully after I had looked at the head.
Even so, if the head is not good there is no point looking at the rest of the animal, in this case, as he is being marketed as an Arab, not a riding horse, and a breeding Arab at that, and without an exceptional head he is no use as a breeding Arab.

Okay, let me ask you this...what about all the "arab" horses I saw and rode in the Middle East that did not come with that seahorse head? Do they not count as "Arabs'? Quite frankly, I used to love the Arab horse, until I moved to the Middle East and saw what the actual tribal horses looked like. Turned me totally off what is available in the US/outside the Middle East.
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actually Heidi in that link to horses in Mecca I saw mostly straight profiles, what to most western breeders would probably be considered plain. I even saw a slightly roman nose. :)

If those horses are truly representative of Arabians in their original home, it is yet another example of a breed we have made nearly unrecognizable. Huh.

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actually Heidi in that link to horses in Mecca I saw mostly straight profiles, what to most western breeders would probably be considered plain. I even saw a slightly roman nose. :)

If those horses are truly representative of Arabians in their original home, it is yet another example of a breed we have made nearly unrecognizable. Huh.

Ditto...It is also EXACTLY what RF complains about as far as Welshes, and Shetlands.

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Re: Blue-eyed Arab colt?
actually Heidi in that link to horses in Mecca I saw mostly straight profiles, what to most western breeders would probably be considered plain. I even saw a slightly roman nose. :)

If those horses are truly representative of Arabians in their original home, it is yet another example of a breed we have made nearly unrecognizable. Huh.

Ditto...It is also EXACTLY what RF complains about as far as Welshes, and Shetlands.

That is what I saw too, very plain faces compared to what you would think of in Arabians here.

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actually Heidi in that link to horses in Mecca I saw mostly straight profiles, what to most western breeders would probably be considered plain. I even saw a slightly roman nose. :)

Ah, my bad! :oops: I didn't have my glasses on :oops: and I wasn't looking very closely, I was taking in the overall look of the horses and I thought they looked like good representatives of their breed.

If those horses are truly representative of Arabians in their original home, it is yet another example of a breed we have made nearly unrecognizable. Huh.

True, dat.

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Some of those Arabians actually remind me very much of my mare, Ginny. Nice rounded croups, sporty movement, and non-dished heads. The dark bay that comes up very first is the one that most resembles her, right down to the long face. :) :X

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I must correct myself: on closer reading, the Arabians in the first link are in Medina, not Mecca.

Heidi, you're reading emotions into my post that aren't there. I just find it odd that breeders and enthusiasts inside and outside the breed's heartland have such a different idea of how it should look. Then again, no point in discussing matters of taste, I suppose.

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The head shot of the grey, third photo up from the bottom on that first link... are those scars from the bridle??

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Hey thats enough y'all...pickin on the grays!!!!! I LOVE em!!! :love :love :love

But but but grey just totally muntifies appaloosa patterning!! :laugh1

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I think they are Sara. Or it could be he set back when he was tied at some point.

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It's at the corner of the mouth too. Poor little thing.

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actually Heidi in that link to horses in Mecca I saw mostly straight profiles, what to most western breeders would probably be considered plain. I even saw a slightly roman nose. :)

If those horses are truly representative of Arabians in their original home, it is yet another example of a breed we have made nearly unrecognizable. Huh.

I agree with Sara--those Meccan horses are more like what I saw/rode in the Middle East, altho' maybe not quite so tanky thru' the barrel as some of the tribal horses (talk about gymnastics on horses! some of them required you to do side splits to ride!!! :laugh1 ), and one of the greys was nearly a dead ringer for what I remember Susa looking like (he who had the crush on me, and would have to hold my shirt any time I was leading/standing next to him). They have a more > shape to the head than a } shape (okay, that last one doesn't come out right at all, but hopefully the gist is there)--there's not much of a 'bulbuous' look to the forehead with a drop to a seriously skinny muzzle.

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Yup. Would Belle get like that if you didn't use bit guards on her bits?

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