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JNFerrigno
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Re: Barlink factor?

One correction is that champagne is a North American mutation and any found in other country's can be traced back to North America.

Really? Oh that's so interesting. Was there any articles or info that I could read about that? Did the registry ever put anything out. I think that's really cool ^_^ *happy dance*

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Well it's not a big deal to have tested, animal genetics already has her dna so I just have to call and give them 25 more $. She is a red dun not a chestnut , but I don't know if that makes a difference. She definately has the mottled skin under her tail and all around that area, so it would be interesting to see if she carried pearl and interesting if she doesn't since she does have the mottled skin.

I think it's time to invade your mares privacy and take photos. XD lol

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LOL ok, I was thinking of doing that, I'll take them tomorrow and post them. I'll call animal genetics tomorrow too. They should have the results over night probably and then I can log in and check from my computer, they are super fast and I'm really curious now.

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Now I wonder if the mottling in the American chestnut pearl carriers is different then the non-carriers. I don't think the carriers overseas saw these specks, so I wonder if what they were seeing here in the states was actually not a sign of being a carrier at all. That's an interesting idea actually. I wonder if there are enough photos around to actually compare.

well since non pearl carrying horses can display the mottling it's possible it was solely coincidence. I've seen it TONS in Arabians.

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well since non pearl carrying horses can display the mottling it's possible it was solely coincidence. I've seen it TONS in Arabians.

Exactly what I was thinking. I have pics somewhere of chestnut skin mottling. I posted palomino skin in the gallery already. I have silver black skin mottling pics too.

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IMO the palomino mottling and the chestnut mottling is surprisingly similar (though I can usually tell the difference). It's not all that similar to champagne mottling, but to someone that hadn't seen many it might be. The only pearls I've heard of mottling were the homozygotes. *shrug* I didn't know silver mottled skin.

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Barlink Snoopy Sue is a chestnut carrier http://www.newdilutions.com/pearl/Paint/..." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Edit: but since the horses in Spain do not show this trait, and I don't know about those in Pasos or Cobs, it could be something else that was being photo graphed?

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^ Hers looks just like the mottling I've seen on the Arabs.

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Well it's not a big deal to have tested, animal genetics already has her dna so I just have to call and give them 25 more $. She is a red dun not a chestnut , but I don't know if that makes a difference. She definately has the mottled skin under her tail and all around that area, so it would be interesting to see if she carried pearl and interesting if she doesn't since she does have the mottled skin.

I think it's time to invade your mares privacy and take photos. XD lol

our poor horses...we allow them no dignity when it comes to photos sometimes...LOL

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Ok, Here are some pics and I did call Animal Genetics and order a pearl test for Annie. You'll notice she has dark and light mottleing under her tail. I also took pics of the different colors in her tail. From the back she looks like she has a typical red dun colored tail but she has white hairs at the top of her tail and black and white hairs all though her tail so I wonder if the mottleing could be just the different pigments she has. I did ask the lady at Animal Genetics if she knew if the mottled skin had anything to do with pearl and she said that it was thought in champagne it did but that they didn't know enough about pearl do know if it did or not. That got her interested in researching it a bit and so I told her about Equine Color info so she will be :lurk . I will let you know as soon as I get the results of Annies pearl test.

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Nice Butt ^_~. And those look different then what the other mare had. I look forward to hearing the test results. But for now...off to the bakery I go *woosh*

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The different colored hair in the tail is normal.

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The different colored hair in the tail is normal.

yep infact there are more like that then not IME.

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Silver black skin
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The different colored hair in the tail is normal.

Yeah I do know that the different colored hair is normal seems like every horse I had hs a mixed tail, I was jut wondering weather or not the mottled skin is just the different pigmentations like the different colored hairs and therefore not linked to pearl and just normal variations in pigmentation.

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My palomino mare's freckles
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Wow she sure does, did you shave her on her chest to get those photos???

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she probably soaked her with the hose. I know my champagne boys freckles on his body showed up better when he was soaking wet..lol

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Oh yeah thats probably what she did.......Hey I like your new profile pic!

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thanks...it's an old pic I took of my haffy's eyeball...LOL. Total "mistake photo" where she was aiming to eat the camera, but it turned out pretty good I must say :D

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Oh she's rabicano too!! Yes, very nice butt.

Another multicolored tail for you:

(photo Barbara Livingston)
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That photo doesn't show it well for some reason. Maybe it's just more noticeable in person. It has virtually every color imaginable in it.

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Oh she's rabicano too!! Yes, very nice butt.

Another multicolored tail for you:

(photo Barbara Livingston)
IMAGE(http://www.barbaralivingston.com/albums/Lacy/BDL14059.jpg)

That photo doesn't show it well for some reason. Maybe it's just more noticeable in person. It has virtually every color imaginable in it.

Really Acc you think she Rabicano? I noticed the white hairs were kind of in a line at the top of her tail like a rabicano but I thought maybe it was just white hairs, she also has alot of white hairs in her mane by her withers but no roan stripes on her
body, she has some tiny white spots in her flank area.

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Oh no, that's definitely rabicano!

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Just looks like a normal chesnut tail to me not rabicano.

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Oh no, that's definitely rabicano!

Even with just the one stripe on the tail? The ones I have seen have atleast 2 and roan bands on the body, but I'm sure you know more than me about Rabicano.

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Just looks like a normal chesnut tail to me not rabicano.

Amanda, I think Acc is talking about this spacific picture, see the white hairs at the top of the tail, I did think they looked Rabicano-ish but she lacks any other Rabicano markings except for some white speckling on her flanks but I wasn't sure if that was rabicano or not.

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Yeah that picture is rabicano. The other picture with the chestnut tail, I think is just chestnut. I don't know what it is about chestnuts, and chestnut based horses, but there are so many colors in their mane and tail, some times even in their coats. I forgot what I was reading...I think it was one of Sponenburgs first books, that said it was suspected mane and tail color control was thought to be polygenic.

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Yeah that picture is rabicano. The other picture with the chestnut tail, I think is just chestnut. I don't know what it is about chestnuts, and chestnut based horses, but there are so many colors in their mane and tail, some times even in their coats. I forgot what I was reading...I think it was one of Sponenburgs first books, that said it was suspected mane and tail color control was thought to be polygenic.

heck..if you look close enough at my haffy's blonde blonde mane, you'll find jet black hairs sprinkled here and there....not enough to notice until you start digging for them though..LOL

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Yeah that's Lace. Lace's tail head is VERY light, but there are no white hairs and this mare has an obvious stripe. The roaning in her flank probably IS rabicano.

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Oh! I'll have to study up more on Rabicano. So Annie is a Red Dun/Splash/Sabino/Rabicano & possibly pearl....lol now that's a mouth full. Haven't got the pearl test results back but she said by wednesday, so tommorrow!

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