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Odd. I suppose you could host it yourself. I was just thinking photobucket so it doesn't drain hosting from wherever it came from.

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Yeah, it is odd, I tried it from photobucket and all I got was the little red x, so just uploaded it from my computer, it does say courtesy of Kay Simmelink on the photo. :D

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i link a picture of my haffy mare from photobucket on her allbreed pedigree page...and it still works...

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hmmm, that is weird, maybe its somthing else on some of the other photos, but when try from photo bucket all I get is the red x, which one did you choose for the link on the share part?

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just the plain link-- http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/st..." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; is all that is in there

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/precious..." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Oh your horse is pretty! Yeah I tried all of them and a pic icon shows up but then when you scroll on it all you get is a window with a red x in the left hand corner, I'm not sure whats up with that :-? .

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The picture is showing fine for me on allbreed

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The picture is showing fine for me on allbreed

Thats because I gave up on photobucket and uploaded it from my compter. Photobucket works fine for me for posting on forums but not for allbreeds for some reason.

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When it comes to any new colors popping up, the finger is always pointed to the Spanish horse, which makes sense. While it seems that the line stopped at My Tontime, it could be that this gene has been been around for a long time and just misidentified. Champagne went under the radar for the longest time, being called buckskin, palomino, or dun. Would you guys agree with that? Or do you think there was a mutation that occurred separately in these horses then in other breeds?

I do think that in the Iberian horses, this color has been around for a long long time. In stories about Queen Isabella, depending who you talk to they'll say she made the palomino famous, or started breeding champagne horses, and now it's believed she also bred pearl horses. I think it was a little of it all, and we just curse the fact that excellent photography wasn't invented back then.

I have found a wider variety of pearl colors in the Iberian horses when compared to the stock horse, but I think that's just a result of desired breeding program. Every now and then I'll be lucky enough to find a possible pearl horse image that has yet to be seen, and post it on Leah's group.

What I find most interesting, is this dilution appears stock, gypsys, and spanish/iberian horses. I don't know if it's possible to suddenly have a mutation and see it occurring in other breeds as well later down the road...I just don't know that much about genetics or evolution.

And also is it just me, or is there a noticeable shade different between the stock horse and iberians?

and...>_> in case you're feeling particular cruel..or need a laugh. I typed up this article on Pearl http://news.deviantart.com/article/112974/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Honestly I've been wanting some real honest feed back from professionals since I'm entirely self taught and it's important to me that I don't go around spinning tails.

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I read that article you wrote - very interesting! I agree that it's probably passed through as creme or dun. But you are not the only one to note that some presentations appear quite different in stock horses vs other horses.... I'm pretty sure it was silver that was discussed appearing differently if my CRS can be pushed back at for just a second....

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Silver definitely seems to present differently by breed. Look at Champs Guthrie (QH) versus any silver bay shetland versus the red chocolate RMH. Morgans seem to have a wider variety of there silver expression from what images I have seen.

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When it comes to any new colors popping up, the finger is always pointed to the Spanish horse, which makes sense. While it seems that the line stopped at My Tontime, it could be that this gene has been been around for a long time and just misidentified. Champagne went under the radar for the longest time, being called buckskin, palomino, or dun. Would you guys agree with that? Or do you think there was a mutation that occurred separately in these horses then in other breeds?

I do think that in the Iberian horses, this color has been around for a long long time. In stories about Queen Isabella, depending who you talk to they'll say she made the palomino famous, or started breeding champagne horses, and now it's believed she also bred pearl horses. I think it was a little of it all, and we just curse the fact that excellent photography wasn't invented back then.

I have found a wider variety of pearl colors in the Iberian horses when compared to the stock horse, but I think that's just a result of desired breeding program. Every now and then I'll be lucky enough to find a possible pearl horse image that has yet to be seen, and post it on Leah's group.

What I find most interesting, is this dilution appears stock, gypsys, and spanish/iberian horses. I don't know if it's possible to suddenly have a mutation and see it occurring in other breeds as well later down the road...I just don't know that much about genetics or evolution.

And also is it just me, or is there a noticeable shade different between the stock horse and iberians?

and...>_> in case you're feeling particular cruel..or need a laugh. I typed up this article on Pearl http://news.deviantart.com/article/112974/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Honestly I've been wanting some real honest feed back from professionals since I'm entirely self taught and it's important to me that I don't go around spinning tails.

Awesome! ^:)^ that is alot of info, I'm going to have to read it a few times to absorb it all, but I love it, the links are great.
So my mare ( her baby pic is in my Avatar ) is Barlnk bred and she is a red dun splash/sabino. I called equine genetics where I
had her tested for her white patterns, that was before I knew she could possibly carry pearl. They said I could test her for pearl anytime since they already have her DNA sample, but I haven't done that yet. She doesn't have any of those diluted freckles, do they always have those when they carry pearl?
Makes sense to me that QH's and Paints got the pearl gene from the Spanish horse since they are are our american stock horses first ancestors.

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Silver definitely seems to present differently by breed. Look at Champs Guthrie (QH) versus any silver bay shetland versus the red chocolate RMH. Morgans seem to have a wider variety of there silver expression from what images I have seen.

LOL Yes it appears that Silver has tripped me up quite a bit in this forum. It appears the once thought norm for silver, really is more debunked then ever and doesn't really have a rule it fits in, because you can have a Bay silver who's points are red and mane and tail white, and then you can have a bay silver who still looks like a bay! I always thought these animals were more exception to the rule, and now it seems it's taken over lol.

rodeoratdogs: I'm not sure if all recessive carriers show that speckling or not. I know according to the website, that this was a common trait in the stock horses examined. I'm not sure how common it is with Iberian and other breeds. Part of the problem is getting support from overseas breeders to help identify the color. In my searching of pearl horses, there are still breeders which insist their horses have tested positive for champagne. Now whether it's a translation mistake, or just shady business practices I'm not sure. But in posting these horses they don't post bloodline, or registration, but will insist they are PRE. The lighter colors thought to be seen in recessive carriers may just be breeder observation and be taken at face value. There were some nice clear coated bays thought to be carriers, so maybe that is what they meant because it wasn't muddled up with sooty counter shading. For me, in looking at homozygous colors, I feel the photos I'm finding over seas have much more vivid dilutions. But that could also just be a sign of biology and environment since it's not fair to compare a shaggy cob to a smooth coated andy. And I don't know how far breeding has gotten in pearl stock horses, the ones I've found I think were all chestnut based. For what ever reason, color breeders love the chestnut horse. I think it goes back to the folk lore that white patterns show up more on chestnut horses then other color, but that's just breeder talk and I don't know if any research has been done on it.

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I think it goes back to the folk lore that white patterns show up more on chestnut horses then other color, but that's just breeder talk and I don't know if any research has been done on it.

Theres been a bit of research on it, mainly stating that "e" does in fact show more white than "E" and also that "A" shows more than "a". There are links to the research in the stickied thread in this forum.

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Silver definitely seems to present differently by breed. Look at Champs Guthrie (QH) versus any silver bay shetland versus the red chocolate RMH. Morgans seem to have a wider variety of there silver expression from what images I have seen.

I found one silver Quarter Horse that looks more obvious silver than most I've seen...his name is Waspy Leo. Still not as obvious as RMH or minis of course...but he's neat looking
http://www.ingasmith.com/waspyleoaqhasta..." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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I think it goes back to the folk lore that white patterns show up more on chestnut horses then other color, but that's just breeder talk and I don't know if any research has been done on it.

Theres been a bit of research on it, mainly stating that "e" does in fact show more white than "E" and also that "A" shows more than "a". There are links to the research in the stickied thread in this forum.

Thats good, I thought I've heard it some where, but I wasn't sure if it was breeder lore or actual research, so I didn't really want to stick my neck out there.

Ahh Waspy Leo, I'm familiar with him XD such a pretty horse. :ymdaydream: In fact TheRedHayflinger, here's a dorky moment for you XD I have a HARPG foal out of him...>_> no not a real foal. I play this art RPG game where we make our own horses, and used this stud as the sire for a bit of realism.

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hehe..i'll have to look through your dA and find it sometime here in the next few days..LOL

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No, I highly doubt they were separate mutations. I feel sure they all came from the same original source.

I think pearl could have EASILY been mistaken for cream/champagne. Also, it could have gone unnoticed in total for a LONG time because of it being recessive. That's explanation enough IMO.

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Silver definitely seems to present differently by breed. Look at Champs Guthrie (QH) versus any silver bay shetland versus the red chocolate RMH. Morgans seem to have a wider variety of there silver expression from what images I have seen.

I found one silver Quarter Horse that looks more obvious silver than most I've seen...his name is Waspy Leo. Still not as obvious as RMH or minis of course...but he's neat looking
http://www.ingasmith.com/waspyleoaqhasta..." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Interesting, I have never seen a silver bay like that. He has good breeding.

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I think it goes back to the folk lore that white patterns show up more on chestnut horses then other color, but that's just breeder talk and I don't know if any research has been done on it.

Theres been a bit of research on it, mainly stating that "e" does in fact show more white than "E" and also that "A" shows more than "a". There are links to the research in the stickied thread in this forum.

That is interesting, I'll have to look into that more. IMO in the Paint horse industry there just seems to be way more quality red based horses that black. I'm not sure if it because some black/white breeders only breed for color and kind of ignore conformation but maybe there are some other factors like just sheer #'s.

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That is interesting, I'll have to look into that more. IMO in the Paint horse industry there just seems to be way more quality red based horses that black. I'm not sure if it because some black/white breeders only breed for color and kind of ignore conformation but maybe there are some other factors like just sheer #'s.

I worked for a breeder in the halter circuit and I did notice that with apps and paints you'd see more quality chestnut based horses. I don't know if it comes down to the horses bred (most the halter quarter horses crossed into them were chestnut lines), or if it's just because chestnut is one of the more common colors amongst horse breeds. Probably a combination of both honestly.

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This all goes back to the King Ranch. The King Ranch bred specifically for sorrel (chestnut horses) and they were probably the largest breeders of high quality QH in the early years of the breed. Because of this chestnuts are still far more common in QH's than any other color. I don't remember the exact percent that were chestnut but it was WAY more than any other color. Since QH's have been used extensively in the ApHC and APHA that has carried over.

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All of the above I'm sure, but I am still wondering now why a specific base color like red would be easier to break color than the others.

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You know what, Annie does have those diluted spots on the skin underneath her tail and around her butt *. I never noticed before but I really never actually looked for them either. So does that mean she carries pearl for sure, or should I still have her tested?

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My tested non pearl has the freckles too.

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You know what, Annie does have those diluted spots on the skin underneath her tail and around her butt *. I never noticed before but I really never actually looked for them either. So does that mean she carries pearl for sure, or should I still have her tested?

I'd have her tested. Honestly I haven't looked a chestnut horse in the rear to ever actually notice. All the times I was breeding or cleaning, I never honestly got that close so I couldn't tell you for sure.

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I have seen mottled skin on chestnuts quite commonly.

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Now I wonder if the mottling in the American chestnut pearl carriers is different then the non-carriers. I don't think the carriers overseas saw these specks, so I wonder if what they were seeing here in the states was actually not a sign of being a carrier at all. That's an interesting idea actually. I wonder if there are enough photos around to actually compare.

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When it comes to any new colors popping up, the finger is always pointed to the Spanish horse, which makes sense. While it seems that the line stopped at My Tontime, it could be that this gene has been been around for a long time and just misidentified. Champagne went under the radar for the longest time, being called buckskin, palomino, or dun. Would you guys agree with that? Or do you think there was a mutation that occurred separately in these horses then in other breeds?

I do think that in the Iberian horses, this color has been around for a long long time. In stories about Queen Isabella, depending who you talk to they'll say she made the palomino famous, or started breeding champagne horses, and now it's believed she also bred pearl horses. I think it was a little of it all, and we just curse the fact that excellent photography wasn't invented back then.

I have found a wider variety of pearl colors in the Iberian horses when compared to the stock horse, but I think that's just a result of desired breeding program. Every now and then I'll be lucky enough to find a possible pearl horse image that has yet to be seen, and post it on Leah's group.

What I find most interesting, is this dilution appears stock, gypsys, and spanish/iberian horses. I don't know if it's possible to suddenly have a mutation and see it occurring in other breeds as well later down the road...I just don't know that much about genetics or evolution.

And also is it just me, or is there a noticeable shade different between the stock horse and iberians?

and...>_> in case you're feeling particular cruel..or need a laugh. I typed up this article on Pearl http://news.deviantart.com/article/112974/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Honestly I've been wanting some real honest feed back from professionals since I'm entirely self taught and it's important to me that I don't go around spinning tails.

One correction is that champagne is a North American mutation and any found in other countrys can be traced back to North America.

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You know what, Annie does have those diluted spots on the skin underneath her tail and around her butt *. I never noticed before but I really never actually looked for them either. So does that mean she carries pearl for sure, or should I still have her tested?

I'd have her tested. Honestly I haven't looked a chestnut horse in the rear to ever actually notice. All the times I was breeding or cleaning, I never honestly got that close so I couldn't tell you for sure.

Well it's not a big deal to have tested, animal genetics already has her dna so I just have to call and give them 25 more $. She is a red dun not a chestnut , but I don't know if that makes a difference. She definately has the mottled skin under her tail and all around that area, so it would be interesting to see if she carried pearl and interesting if she doesn't since she does have the mottled skin.

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