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Appaloosa?
http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1372200&share_this=Y" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Where is the appaloosa?
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Its right there! You cant see it?!?!?! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

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It's her name, right? :D

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I'm with RMT. It's right there! You don't see it!?

Ink spots... ;)

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:laugh1

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LOL...

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That's what I was thinking ACC..
And for the low, low, low price of $25k, you can get a drafty pinto 4-H mare and all around prospect.
Paying $1k for an actual Appaloosa would be causing too much trouble... http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php..." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; :angel

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Oh my goodness!!!! That is to funny. :laugh1 :laugh1 :laugh1 :rofl :rofl :rofl

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I think they are referring to the fact that her sire is supposedly a fewspot. HIS sire is leopard spotted stallion, but I couldn't find a photo of the dam of either the horse in the advert or her sire. The stallion who sired the mare in the advert was crossed over his dam, and produced a supposedly fewspot mare (does look to be coloured similarly to dad).

Personally, if I got that from a supposedly fewspot stallion, I'd be doing some DNA PV'ing...

Diane

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I guess spotting could be hidden by tobiano couldn't it? Even if he was a fewspot she might be LP only.

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It seems odd that she would have that high of tobiano expression, but be a characteristic only as an appy. Hmmmmm...

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Really? You think they're related in some way?

I'm still of the belief that appy patterns are not polygenetic and thus I feel it's standard passage depending on the sire's genetics, and thus perfectly possible for her to be LP only despite the tobiano.

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OK then - who's going to email them and find out the story...?!!!

The Hermits breeding is UK based yes? In which case its not at all Appaloosa breeding, its British Spotted pony?

My first thought was wrong photos?

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There are scammers that get on these sale sites from nigeria, it slips through the cracks now and then.

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I seem to remember that Hermits is a Shetland breeder but couldn't be sure...what Baloney that mare is not spotted, they are just looking at the ermine spots and confusing those !!! Pooor blinded by greed people !!! :hammer

just found the link was right......

http://www.hermitsponiesandcobs.co.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Here a link to her sire. He does appear to be a few spot unless of course he isn't really her sire.

http://www.hermitsponiesandcobs.co.uk/As..." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Dare I say it.... Looks kind of grey to me :sad

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Hermits breed Spotted and Shetlands, not usually that big, nowadays.
Horse looks to be greyed out Pinto, Splash could explain blue eyes.
No, it is not an Appy, not even if it were spotted would it be as it has no Appy blood, but then, neither do any of the Minis and they are called "apples"!!

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Hermits breed Spotted and Shetlands, not usually that big, nowadays.
Horse looks to be greyed out Pinto, Splash could explain blue eyes.
No, it is not an Appy, not even if it were spotted would it be as it has no Appy blood, but then, neither do any of the Minis and they are called "apples"!!

On the website they have a fair whack of furry footed creatures - coloured and spotted.

He doesn't look like a greyed out pinto to me, I think he is some sort of spotted plus grey? (Marble/Varnish maybe) Hmmmm interesting stuff :mrgreen:

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I wanna "apple" mini!

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I hadn't even thought of gray but the sire looks kinda gray to me also now that you mention it! I wonder what the odds would be of getting pics of him when he was young?

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Really? You think they're related in some way?

I'm still of the belief that appy patterns are not polygenetic and thus I feel it's standard passage depending on the sire's genetics, and thus perfectly possible for her to be LP only despite the tobiano.

I think that appy patterns are polygenic. There is such a large spectrum of pattern size that I can't see each one being a seperate allele. And I do think that white pattern expression is often inter-related.

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Well I believe the theory that there are only two pattern alleles, blanket and leopard. Everything in between is just the amount of expression, like the difference between "slipped" tobianos and maximum tobianos.

Sire looks gray to me. :roll:

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Really? You think they're related in some way?

I'm still of the belief that appy patterns are not polygenetic and thus I feel it's standard passage depending on the sire's genetics, and thus perfectly possible for her to be LP only despite the tobiano.

I've seen too many apps that don't fall into normal inheritance rules to think that the level of expression of an app pattern to be anything but polygenetic. There is no way, following normal inheritance rules, that a blanket sire and a no-pattern mare should produce a near leopard, nor should a blanket+snowflake mare with a blanket sire produce a full-blown leopard. Or for that matter, a "solid" and a "solid" produce a full-blown leopard pattern or blanket pattern (wasn't it on here that someone mentioned their hardshipped leopard app gelding came from 2 registered QHs, and of course, we have the now-infamous Reminic In Spots ).

But, yes, if whatever controls tobiano expression levels is distinct and separate from what controls Lp expression levels, it could be that the sire is heterozygous in that department, and provided only Lp and no "PATN" to the daughter.

Diane

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Hermits breed Spotted and Shetlands, not usually that big, nowadays.
Horse looks to be greyed out Pinto, Splash could explain blue eyes.
No, it is not an Appy, not even if it were spotted would it be as it has no Appy blood, but then, neither do any of the Minis and they are called "apples"!!

Rabbit, they also have "Cobs" (thought that was a type, not a breed...) and the sire of the advertised horse's sire IS leopard spotted. The dam of the sire and the dam of the horse advertised are "MIA" in the photo department. Use of the word "appaloosa" and other contractions of the word, in this context, is merely a convenience of not saying "Lp-based".

Diane

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I am pretty sure they will find Appy (used as an expression of pattern, as Pinto is...it is just way too convenient!!) is polygenic, in exactly the same way that Sabino is, and I am pretty sure that is one of the reasons that they are having so much trouble finding the markers.
I also think one of the other reasons is that they are trying to make the facts fit the theory....I am not buying this "Lp" and "Patn" stuff until there is some sort of proof for it, and there just is not at present!!
I got no response from a polite request as to why they think she is Appy...I guess they just want to bully people into believing their Pinto mare is a "rare Appy" which of course is worth so much more!!!

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OK, they replied to me and it seems the site has not put up the correct photos...they sent me pictures of an obviously (poorly marked and possibly greying out but nonetheless) obviously Appy mare!!!!

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OK, they replied to me and it seems the site has not put up the correct photos...they sent me pictures of an obviously (poorly marked and possibly greying out but nonetheless) obviously Appy mare!!!!

Ah ha as I thought!!! :mrgreen: Thanks for emailing and solving the mystery!!!

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OK, they replied to me and it seems the site has not put up the correct photos...they sent me pictures of an obviously (poorly marked and possibly greying out but nonetheless) obviously Appy mare!!!!

So the "fewspot" sire is very likely an app-patterned grey? Would love to find info on the dam...google was of no help.

Diane

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