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Another Splashed White Test falls through the cracks....
Here is yet another mystery that makes me wonder if the current Splashed White test is incomplete and there are more splashed whites that are not included in this test. I was about to test this colt, but there is no reason to if the dam has tested negative and the sire is a solid. Here is the dam which tested negative: IMAGE(http://pacificpintos.com/broodmares/images/lakota1.jpg)IMAGE(http://pacificpintos.com/broodmares/images/lakota2.jpg) Pacific Lakota Stars Jet Black Homozygous Tobiano Pinto, partial Blue Eyes. Lakota has been tested and is Homozygous for Tobiano (TT). She has tested negative for the Frame, and Splashed White gene. Coat Color results for Pacific Lakota Stars(DT29463): Splashed White SW-1 Result: N/N - No copies of SW-1 mutation. Splashed White SW-2 Result: N/N - No copies of SW-2 mutation. Splashed White SW-3 Result: N/N - No copies of SW-3 mutation. IMAGE(http://www.highmeadowminiatures.com/Grand%20Slamh.jpg) Sire of colt below is a solid bay dun. This is the foal from these two horses. Foal is parentage qualified. IMAGE(http://pacificpintos.com/stallions/images/wildcard1.jpg)IMAGE(http://pacificpintos.com/stallions/images/wildcard2.jpg) Pacific Wild Card Dun Tobiano Tovero Pinto Yearling Colt, with Right Eye Blue. Homozygous for Black. Wild Card has been tested and carries a single Tobiano (nT) pinto gene, a single Bay (Agouti) gene, he is Homozygous for Black (he can never produce a red foal no matter what mare he is bred to); and tested negative for cream. Your thoughts would be appreciated.
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Its already been proven that

Its already been proven that there is at least one more splash mutation that they haven't found yet.

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We have asked UCD to add this

We have asked UCD to add this to the group that are testing negative that appear to also have the splashed white gene.

I am posting this for education purposes.

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There has also been at least

There has also been at least one solid horse produce homozygous sw1 offspring.

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admin wrote:There has also

There has also been at least one solid horse produce homozygous sw1 offspring.

NO facial white??

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As far as I can tell from the

As far as I can tell from the pictures no white at all and no blue eyes.

The homozygous offspring http://colorgenetics.info/equine/content...

and the sire

http://www.sukuposti.net/hevoset/skotte/...

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There is another tested HOM

There is another tested HOM splash Gotland who has a solid parent.

SW1/SW1 Offspring http://uploads.ifokus.se/uploads/0b4/0b4...
Sire http://www.gotlandsruss.se/AllgunnensYes...
Solid dam http://www.stuteriguldhagen.se/Bilder/Ti...

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I would sure like to see a

I would sure like to see a color photo pedigree on some of these to see what these solids have in their background.

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Are you asking should you test?

I am wondering what the subject line means. It seems that this is the case of two negative parents that have produced a negative offspring. Why would this mean a splashed white was missed? Am I missing a result? The mother is a homozygous tobiano, father is a solid. Appears that foal is a tobiano. None of the horses appear to carry splashed white. Am I missing something? Trying to follow what the problem is. If the question is should you test, then I would say without hesitation that that answer should be NO. Neither parent appears to be splashed white and neither does the foal. Hope this helps.

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I have to disagree. The foal

I have to disagree. The foal has very strong splash expression in the face plus the loss of the left flank shield. I would definitely call it splash + tobiano.

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I agree with Monsterpony, the

I agree with Monsterpony, the foal has what we have always considered to be very "splashy" white. That when combined with a blue eye seems to indicate a possible Splashed White mutation that has not been located. Of course, further study will be needed to determine if this is indeed the case.

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The foal tested positive.

The foal tested positive.

The solid sire also tested positive. No white at all on the sire, brown eyes, and 5 generations of solid in his background.

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That's awesome. I love

That's awesome. I love seeing the extreme minimals. Makes it harder to be certain about horse colors by looking at them, but it's amazing to see a pinto positive be completely solid. Any images of his sire and dam?

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That is AWESOME!!! Thanks for

That is AWESOME!!! Thanks for letting us know!!!

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I am too frustrated to be

I am too frustrated to be happy about this. If there are no definitive markings it makes it MUCH harder to decide which horses to test.

Two more photos of the sire that tested positive. I do not own him. I will try and find photos of his sire and dam.

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guess that means TEST THEM

guess that means TEST THEM ALL!!! :D

thanks for the info there :)

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Just wish they had an entire

Just wish they had an entire herd budget offer. :idea:

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Quick, someone needs to make

Quick, someone needs to make a "Test ALL The Horses" in that one meme.

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Already made it when the test

Already made it when the test came out! :P

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Dun Gene!!

I guess the DUN Gene covers the MITF Prom1 Allel. Allready saw this in Icelandic Horses!!

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Except for this horse who is

Except for this horse who is not dun and has homozygous SW1 offspring http://www.sukuposti.net/kuva/nayta/spnr...

and this horse IMAGE(http://colorgenetics.info/equine/sites/default/files/imagecache/forum_pics/040_0_0.JPG)
who is tested SW1 and is also dun. BDB FASHION DESIGN Red Dun Paint Mare Photo Courtesy of rodeoratdogs

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Thanks Threnody. Pacific

Thanks Threnody.

Pacific Pintos - Do you know if that stallion has white spots on the bottoms of his feet? I remember reading registry information for a certain breed of horse/pony that wasn't supposed to have much white, if any, and in the registry they recorded, not only if there were white hairs ANYWHERE, but also if there were white on the bottoms of the feet. I was under the impression that white markings could be as minimal as a tiny white splot on the sole of a foot, if even that.

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Threnody wrote:Already made

Already made it when the test came out! :P

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Love this, cracks me up =)) We should make Threnodys' test all the ponies T-Shirts! LOL

What about Annie? Sorry I'm slower than you guys when it come to some of this stuff :ymblushing: .

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If I understood her

If I understood her correctly, Spotting Girl was saying that dun was saying that dun was epistatic (overwrites) SW1. I was using Annie as a counter example.

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I have no idea if there is

I have no idea if there is white on his soles.

UCD has just stated that miniatures do not fall into the same category as full size horses and frequently have little to no visible white.

It has been the same with the LWO gene, but there are certain genetic lines that are known to carry LWO, so if you have them in your pedigree you know to test.

The splashed white test, especially with ones that appear to have it testing negative, and then ones that are solid testing positive, is proving to be a complicated gene for breeders.

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admin wrote:If I understood

If I understood her correctly, Spotting Girl was saying that dun was saying that dun was epistatic (overwrites) SW1. I was using Annie as a counter example.

Oh ok! I get it now thanks!