American Cream x Percheron

It seems that they can be any colour of cream from an Isabella Pally to a dark cream pally, this of course also means that they can cremello and in some circumstances also Gold Champagne...they also say they are the only American draft breed.

doesn't look very cremello to me though, or even perlino. Buckskin perhaps, perlino daddy on black mum. or cremello dad on black mum.

Yeah it's just weird. They say they're champagne, but most I've seen don't have pink (or mottled) skin and their eyes seem dark to me. Also, the foals are all born super pale, which is not a champagne thing. But blue eyes are not allowed so they can't be DDs and there can't be a whole lot of cream or there would be a whole lot of thrown away DD babies. I don't get it.

I assume the horse in the ad is buckskin or amber champagne... I lean to the latter. I dunno, she's kinda strange. I actually really want her. :laugh1

[quote="accphotography"]Yeah it's just weird. They say they're champagne, but most I've seen don't have pink (or mottled) skin and their eyes seem dark to me. Also, the foals are all born super pale, which is not a champagne thing. But blue eyes are not allowed so they can't be DDs and there can't be a whole lot of cream or there would be a whole lot of thrown away DD babies. I don't get it.

I assume the horse in the ad is buckskin or amber champagne... I lean to the latter. I dunno, she's kinda strange. I actually really want her. :laugh1[/quote]

No you don't !!!!

As to the filly in the add I think they have it wrong either dad was a black bay and misdiagnosed or their could also be grey in there - looks a bit like a Bucky going grey - could also be Amber Chapagne but hey - you don't want her - do you???? :shock:

and don't you sleep ??? It's way early over there !! :lol:

Also found this on them - their birth eye colour sounds er interesting !!!

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ACDs are supposed to be champagnes (with or without creme added on...and i'm guessing there are some that are just creme without champagne as well too)

sometimes photography skills or a poor camera can make the muzzle look dark and not freckled...I had that problem when taking pics of my old gold champagne TWH gelding...if i used my mom's camera, his muzzle looked grey/black...but it wasn't...lol

Lipi: Why couldn't the ACD dam carry agouti? Percherons are almost always homozygous black. It fits perfectly... unless you really think gray, in which case the Percheron was probably turning late.

Yeah that "white eye color at birth" is really odd.

TRHF - post some pics of your Champers boy - would love to see. Yes I think some are just plain cream too.

ACC yes the dam could carry it but I am guessing as MOST Percherons are grey that this could be why this one looks a bit weird....and the stallion owner could be giving the base colour without grey.

Well maybe it's just because I know a few "colored Percheron" breeders who breed everything BUT gray. :laugh1 But the more I think about it, the more I think you're right. I just looked at the ad again and caught something I'd missed before "no markings, flaxen mane and tail". Yup... that does sound gray.

looks like buckskin or amber going grey to me

[quote="TheRedHayflinger"]ACDs are supposed to be champagnes (with or without creme added on...and i'm guessing there are some that are just creme without champagne as well too)

sometimes photography skills or a poor camera can make the muzzle look dark and not freckled...I had that problem when taking pics of my old gold champagne TWH gelding...if i used my mom's camera, his muzzle looked grey/black...but it wasn't...lol[/quote]

ACD's are usually gold creams (some just cream because of the breed being redeveloped after almost being gelded to extinction) and gold creams tend to have heavier freckling that regular champagnes. We had 2 on the when I was a kid in Iowa. Here are a couple gold cream qh's
This colt has light freckleing still but he is also roan.
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Wow he has points! How cool!

Here are a couple pics of his roan coat color

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Oh. *smacks self* I forgot you said roan. That explains the points. :laugh1 Man his points are about the only way I can tell he's roan (and actually, obviously that didn't clue me in).

His mom is a light palomino roan and is harder to tell except by her nice points

Well I imagine he's even more difficult to tell with the addition another dilute.

I've seen enough red horses with points (I own one) that I never really look for a cause, but they always catch my attention. I probably wouldn't notice she (the dam) was roan unless her head was obviously darker (which it's probably not). I guess I should pay more attention. :lol: