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Advice on breeding my mare - for a color foal
Hey there everyone. I have been really looking for a stud to breed my gray mare to. I think if I end up breeding either of my mares this year it will probably be her. Some of you already know what she looks like so you can look in my other posts if you don't. I don't want to spend too much money on a stud fee due to not knowing what she is out of and her being unregistered. Just let me know what you think about some of the studs I post and what you think they would have together? I have been looking for several months and have only found a handful that I can possibly afford. Like I said ...let me know what you think and what the outcome will be. This is a Quarter Horse Buckskin stud named "A Smokin Pistolena". He is very good looking and is VERY close to where I live so it would be nice to not have to drive all over the country to get her bred lol. He has some good names in his pedigree. His breed fee goes to charity also (A small donation to the Huntington's Disease Society of America). They emailed me and said a fee of $200, so maybe it went down even more! :D I just love all of his foals that I have seen. HOWEVER, I was a little concerned by his four white stockings on his legs. How in the heck did he get that...looks like paint markings....and that big huge blaze/pie bald?!? His little filly, that you can see in one of the pictures on facebook.com - photos page, has very tall stockings and pie bald also! I am not interested in something as what some people call "flashy". Lol. What do you think? Will her baby possibly end up with these tall stockings? Or even "paint splashes"? I still plan on getting her DNA tested before breeding for Extension (red factor), Agouti, and possibly even Gray (to see if she is GG or Gg). I really would like to get a dilute baby out of her...but I also like duns and grullos. If you have any studs to add for me to look at that I might not have seen please feel free to drop me a link or pic. Thanks :) This is the stud's ad page: http://www.stallionsnow.com/stallion-ad-76461.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Pedigree page: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/a+smokin+pistolena" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; The Facebook Stallion station page where he is at: http://www.facebook.com/jcstallionstation#!/jcstallionstation?v=wall" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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I love the colour and markings of the pally filly! Id like to see better pics of the bucky, theres something that puts me off......

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ps I LOVE your grey mare! she is simply lovley :-)

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If you want to up your chances of a dilute, and get a nice working horse out of it, why not save up and go for a more proven stud?

Hollywood White might pair up nicely with your mare if you are going for a stock-type working horse.... http://www.forgottenlane.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (he came up in another thread recently and popped into my head)

Then there is champagne - And it looks really good with grey! Cougar and she might pair nicely: http://www.redbudquarterhorses.com/Stall..." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What are you shooting for besides dilution?

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Why do want to breed a grade grey horse to a cheap stallion, when you have a nice well bred registered QH mare to breed to? I just don't see the logic in that. My advice would be to save your money and breed to the QH mare to a nice stallion that you really like.

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..............and the answer to your question "where did he get that" http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/mr+gun+s..." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
AQHA Mr Gun Smoke sired many "crop out" Paints but today these horses would be eligable for both AQHA and APHA since AQHA has completely got rid of there no white rule.

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The grey-grade mare is nicely built. I daresay better than the other mare in a few aspects. I have to agree though but from another perspective (not that the mare is grade-nothing wrong with that)- in this day and age that if you are going to breed something plan on keeping it unless it's going to be easily marketed. Too many nice horses for free these days - fully registered horses who've got wins under them can't be given away here.

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I disagree that your grade mare is built better than your QH mare. I would say that if you want another grade horse, go rescue one, so in that respect I agree with Jenks a little bit ymwhisle .

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That's a good idea! The arabian rescue is confiscating 4 full blooded Freisians as we speak! Makes the mind boggle....

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If you want to up your chances of a dilute, and get a nice working horse out of it, why not save up and go for a more proven stud?

Hollywood White might pair up nicely with your mare if you are going for a stock-type working horse.... http://www.forgottenlane.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (he came up in another thread recently and popped into my head)

Then there is champagne - And it looks really good with grey! Cougar and she might pair nicely: http://www.redbudquarterhorses.com/Stall..." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What are you shooting for besides dilution?

Well Jenks I do like Hollywood White and that might be a possibility, I just didn't want to put too much money into a horse that can only be registered with the half-quarter horse registry. I m not sure what she would throw either (unless I test her). Around here I've actually seen grade horses go for more than registered ones when it comes to cow horse sales. I went to one this past spring and the grade horses almost DOUBLED the price of the registered ones. I don't know why, that's just how it worked out and has been for the last couple of years. The ones that went for more when they were grade horses were Palominos and Buckskins or other dilute horses, and duns, blue roans, red roans, etc (stuff with color). The other stud that's champagne is nice but it says "no grade mares" on his website, so I suppose he is out for her...but I agree, probably a really nice mix.

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Well I'd say if your wanting to get more money for any grade horses and they are good "working type horses" I have personally saw more than 20 go for over $6,500 and some more than that.... and yes I know that if I bred my mare I would always have a pasture for it to be in. I don't even think she is a grade mare.... the man I bought her from said that he heard she either had papers...and they were lost or that they were never filed ...but she was out of really good stock. I haven't been able to get in touch with the people that he was selling her for... I remember him saying they were trying to get out of the "business" or something. I am still going to try to find out more....I just didn't want time to get away from me on thinking about breeding her. She is currently on rest from a minor leg injury...nothing serious just can't be worked under saddle for a while.

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Ya - I love a good horse. Registries are nice for tracking bloodlines and competing in breed competitions, but some of the best horses I know are grade. Wouldn't sell mine for a million dollars.

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Lol - yea I agree Jenks. I have seen good horses in all shapes, sizes, colors, and breeds. :) I so wish they would make a dna database for quarter horses (I use them as an example because they are so big and have so much money)... one where if you weren't certain of its lineage you could test it against a database to see what its parents might be. That way no horse has to go "unregistered" and be denied the all the opportunities they deserve. Lol... oh I'll keep dreaming...maybe it'll happen some day. :) In the meanwhile I'll just keep trying to get in touch with her original owner. Thanks again.

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A good horse dosent need papers to prove it is a good one :)

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Lol - yea I agree Jenks. I have seen good horses in all shapes, sizes, colors, and breeds. :) I so wish they would make a dna database for quarter horses (I use them as an example because they are so big and have so much money)... one where if you weren't certain of its lineage you could test it against a database to see what its parents might be. That way no horse has to go "unregistered" and be denied the all the opportunities they deserve. Lol... oh I'll keep dreaming...maybe it'll happen some day. :) In the meanwhile I'll just keep trying to get in touch with her original owner. Thanks again.

It doesn't seem like such an unlikely thing....the AHA started registering with DNA a few years back.... I know that it's come in handy during "Fence-came-down" situations! There is no fence jumping going on from then on out.....

It's not that big of a deal to do actually.

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A good horse dosent need papers to prove it is a good one :)

Nope! I agree. I must have spent close to 30K on the registered horse I traded to get my grade boy. Although, he was perfect for me and Cyn was perfect for my friend..... probably not a likely scenario to happen often. Value is always in the eye of the beholder.

And there is nothing I wouldn't pay for bombproof kid horse....

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A good horse dosent need papers to prove it is a good one :)

I won't breed or buy a horse or dog without paper's. There are to many unwanted animals in this world to not have any standard. Not to say there are no good grade horses out there, but why breed more :-?? ? Just go get one. I don't have a problem with some crosses as long as whoever is breeding has enough integrity to make sure the resulting foal is somthing of quality and can be registered somthing like warmbloods etc. A horse lives 30 years, so you can't really say for sure that you will keep a horse that you breed the rest of it's life, because life changes so make sure whatever your breeding has the best chance of never being unwanted.

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Well it looks like I'm a year and half late on this one but I will comment anyway. I personally have been around the stallion A Smokin Pistolena. He was purchased from the estate of Ken Slawson in Atoka,OK. Ken was well known for his cutting horses and they were not cheap. As a two year old I saw this colt work cattle all day on a ranch in Butcher Pen,OK. At the end of the day his rider while finishing sorting slid the bridle off and that colt worked just like he had all day. He had a great mind and look about him as he worked. The Gun Smoke blood has added so much to the cutting and reining world. The Gun Smoke chrome is just a little extra you get with these great working horses. Probably the only reason his owner considered breeding a grade mare is cause it was for charity in the first place!

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