chocolate palomino?

here is pic of dam - definately bay

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no pic of sire but he was jet black, no doubt about that.

we have been contacted by a DR Phillip Sponenberg, DVM, PhD. Professor Pathology/Genetics Department of Biomedical Sciences & Pathobiologyat Royal College of Veterinary medicine, Virgina-Maryland because he is trying to develope a test for this colour.

really hope they change the name :D

no doubt there is shetland in there somewhere- couldnt have miniature horses without it in there somewhere

Well, the dam looks like a Shetland, so the chances are she is???

Does that dam really look bay to everyone?

Not at all, looks smokey black to me.

Smokey black came to mind for me immediately.

I was wondering about chestnut, but I think smokey black fits better.

dam looks brown buckskin/smokey black to me :)

I definately think she has cream, so either smokey black or even a super dark buckskin, which is what immediately came to my mind... the muzzle and part of her hind end, she reminds me of my Cocoa when Cocoa is in a dark phase....

[color=#8000BF][b]I don't think the dam is bay at all.
At first thought was brown, maybe black or smokey black??

Even if the sire is jet black its possible for him to carry cream!
Do we have any lineage we could look at to see if its likely?
Although they could've been mislabeled for color!![/b][/color]

I say not bay, however she is stuck in the "brown" no mans land of smokey black/faded black/seal brown/black buckskin. If I had to make a stab right now I'd say faded black with pangere.

I had a Shetland mare that colour a few years back and she was a sooty Bay Dun, no Cream.

Yep, not Bay.

I'd vote for testing both mom and filly. Dam looks almost like a very sooty chestnut to me (kinda the color of my Valley and we all know she is chestnut and not bay).

Edited to add: But then I seen non-bays everywhere now that I have her to compare too... :laugh1

will try to get better pics of dam (but its Ireland 7 its been raining now since Wednesday :( ) & if im testing both - what should i test for?

Test the foal for cream and extension and the dam for cream, extension and agouti.

Not a bay imo either. I think dam is black based with cream.

OK I am going to throw something into this mix that I dredged up from the recesses of my memeory...so bear with me :rofl
Many years ago a friend of mine bought a mare, in foal, from the Isle of Wight (this is not really relevant but she is in Wales, so she did not see the mare before buying it) The mare was described as Dark Bay/Black and in foal to a stallion the same colour.
The mare duly arrived and was the colour of this mare being discussed, the Dam that is not the mushroom mare.
Still with me???
The mare duly foaled to this supposedly Bay/Black stallion and had a foal that was....different!!!
I saw him as a foal, at one and again at two, he is now owned by another friend but I have not seen him recently.
We could not decide what colour he was and the Shetland Society decided to put him down as Liver Chestnut as it was possible and he looked sort of chestnut...thier words not mine.
Long story short he grew up and sire three mushrooms out of different coloured mares.
[i]Still[/i] do not know what colour the stallion is, though!!!

From what I have heard, mushroom is definitely a colour associated with shetlands tho isnt it Jane?

Yes it is but this mare looks Shetland to me and anyway, we all know whatever the hype all Minis are bred from Shetlands directly and within the last 28 years.
There is no reason at all to suggest this cannot be Mushroom which appears to be able to "hide" in black, and as has been said there is already one Mushroom Mini stallion in Ireland.

dna results are in

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i didnt test the mare yet but thats the next step

Well well well. I guess she's a strange palomino after all. Well I guess she could still be mushroom, but I don't think I've seen one test positive for cream yet, although I see no reason why it wouldn't be possible.

I guess that means that her sire carries a cream gene as well.

Or it could be the dam, who already looked suspicious.

She can still be Mushroom and have cream...why not???

[quote="accphotography"]Well well well. I guess she's a strange palomino after all. Well I guess she could still be mushroom, but I don't think I've seen one test positive for cream yet, although I see no reason why it wouldn't be possible.[/quote]
Well, of course she could. Haven't you ever heard of Cream of Mushroom?

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:rofl :laugh1 :rofl :laugh1

Very nice! :laugh1

im not great on the genetics of this but i thought mushrooms didnt carry cream?

so does this mean she IS chocolate palomino?

and i prefer cream of chicken :rofl

I LOVE homemade cream of mushroom, but not out of a can.

Not necessarily. Genetically she IS a palomino, but that does not mean she is not also mushroom. Yes, the mushrooms on the mushroom website are all negative for cream, but that doe not mean that they can not have cream in addition to whatever is causing the mushroom.